Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm just trolling.Mostly.
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In your defense, the energy soak on the hammer actually makes a difficult matchup for Alan. Thor and BRB would be the toughest outs because of this. Alan's the most powerful overall here by a fair margin, but he also wouldn't want to pit himself against Thor or BRB in this fight. His powers would be better served elsewhere.
Originally posted by Digi
In your defense, the energy soak on the hammer actually makes a difficult matchup for Alan. Thor and BRB would be the toughest outs because of this. Alan's the most powerful overall here by a fair margin, but he also wouldn't want to pit himself against Thor or BRB in this fight. His powers would be better served elsewhere.
I agree. I generally give Thor and Bill the majority over any Lantern, but Alan is a tricky one. At full power, Alan would conventionally be beyond either Thor or Bill, but he'd have to get around the hammers first. He also doesn't have a finite charge of energy to work with, unlike other GLs, so that's a huge boon for him, as well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I agree. I generally give Thor and Bill the majority over any Lantern, but Alan is a tricky one. At full power, Alan would conventionally be beyond either Thor or Bill, but he'd have to get around the hammers first. He also doesn't have a finite charge of energy to work with, unlike other GLs, so that's a huge boon for him, as well.
Yeah, it's a matchup issue, not a power one. Alan could reliably take any other two on the Marvel team (and probably more, depending on exactly where we want to place him). In a battle this size, I tend to assume that he'd wreck some heads and figure out to avoid the hammer brothers enough to swing the tide of the battle.
We could be generous and allow Marvel Classic Strange or something, but then the same courtesy would need to be afforded to Fate. Which again creates a push and Alan becomes the tiebreak yet again. I just don't see Marvel winning this fight with any regularity because of Alan. They'd have to be super smart with matchups, and would still need to at least double team Alan, leaving them short a man.
Originally posted by DigiUm, yeah. "ridiculous". The scan below shows how the fight goes until Warlock uses the infinity Soul Gem.
That's a ridiculous statement. Quasar is powerful, but no more so than a lot of others in this fight. Amusingly, Adam Warlock is something like 3-0 against Quasar lifetime, and even he's not Marvel's most powerful character (nor does Marvel have the most powerful in the fight). More recent post-resurrection Quasar is also powerful, but hasn't done anything to distinguish himself from the crowd he's currently running with (Surfer, BRB, Gladiator, etc.)
"Amusingly", Adam looks rather uncomfortable. 🙄
I'm talking about the Quasar that shut down a Watcher, defeated Anomaly (an abstract entity) and was able to easily block a blast from Galactus. And, those feats are just off the top of my head.
I've seen his respect thread and followed Marvel's cosmics for almost two decades. He's no more powerful than half a dozen others in this fight. He's in the same neighborhood, which is why he belongs with the other planet busters. But not above them.
Thor dented Galactus and rendered Ego catatonic for a time. Big whup. Surfer has the Crunch feat. Alan took on the entire JLA/JSA and only lost because he contained his power and stopped fighting. Strange and Fate have countered abstracts numerous times. Majestic rearranged a solar system. Thor did what he did to Mercy (numerous insane feats), an abstract. Quasar is not the only one with good feats.
Also, post the whole fight. There's literally no context in that scan. I'm also completely sure Warlock has knocked Quasar unconscious more than once. On the off chance that you found a feat to the contrary (still to be determined, but possible) then they've split their encounters.
Err...Im really finding it hard to believe that Alan scott would be able to take Surfer+Thor at the same time let alone more,......i think people are getting a bit carried away here. "Team busting" in comics is usually hugely overplayed due to most characters fighting retarded and the inverse ninja law which is almost always in effect. Either Thor or Surfer at their best (since we are clearly taking alan scott at his best) could give him a very good run.....He isnt taking them plus other guys by himself..jeesh
Originally posted by Naija boy
Err...Im really finding it hard to believe that Alan scott would be able to take Surfer+Thor at the same time let alone more,......i think people are getting a bit carried away here. "Team busting" in comics is usually hugely overplayed due to most characters fighting retarded and the inverse ninja law which is almost always in effect. Either Thor or Surfer at their best (since we are clearly taking alan scott at his best) could give him a very good run.....He isnt taking them plus other guys by himself..jeesh
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Originally posted by Prep-Man
alan did take on mordru and scythe. actually owned scythe who owned the jsa single handedly. mordru even when he was weakened is above the likes of surfer or thor.
Scythe got taken down by lightning using a city busting attack iirc...and is another poster boy for the whole "team busting" without context thing. When did Alan ever beat a full powered mordru? And quite frankly ill need to go and relook at their fights because when it comes to terms that are usally signify agenda pushing team busting is only second to taken on.....
Originally posted by Naija boy
Err...Im really finding it hard to believe that Alan scott would be able to take Surfer+Thor at the same time let alone more,......i think people are getting a bit carried away here. "Team busting" in comics is usually hugely overplayed due to most characters fighting retarded and the inverse ninja law which is almost always in effect. Either Thor or Surfer at their best (since we are clearly taking alan scott at his best) could give him a very good run.....He isnt taking them plus other guys by himself..jeesh
Only because Thor's energy soak makes things interesting. Alan's legit though. He has numerous feats that place him well above his teammates in this fight, which translates roughly to the power levels of the Marvel people as well. The whole crossover event where multiple teams couldn't do jack against him is his best recent feat, and single-handedly puts him at levels beyond pretty much anyone in the fight. The "Book of Willpower" feat is another, as is the shockingly abrupt Scythe takedown, and the finale of the JSA's run. Or the "I'm keeping an ever-growing magical city in space in constant check with my willpower while also being a powerful GL" following the JLA/JSA crossover.
Thor and Surfer at their best aren't pushovers, agreed. I just named some of their uber feats above because someone wanted to place Quasar as the class of this fight. They aren't Alan though.
You're also pitting him against the two best on team Marvel. I agree, he doesn't take them both out, at least not easily. Any one of them though, yes. And any two of the others in this fight, who aren't as powerful, yes. It kind of makes my point for me when you have to take #'s 1A and 1B on team Marvel to deal with Alan, leaving the rest of the team a man down and without their best powerhouses.
Originally posted by Naija boy Scythe got taken down by lightning using a city busting attack iirc...and is another poster boy for the whole "team busting" without context thing. When did Alan ever beat a full powered mordru? And quite frankly ill need to go and relook at their fights because when it comes to terms that are usally signify agenda pushing team busting is only second to taken on.....
that was before, alan broke scythes neck when he was serious. and i didnt say full powered mordru, i said when he was weakened. even weakened he was still powerful enough to create pocket dimensions. scott stalemated him at the time.
Originally posted by DigiHe is beyond a "planet buster". And, many of us in these forums have the same level of comic reading resume, if not higher than two decades. FYI.
I've seen his respect thread and followed Marvel's cosmics for almost two decades. He's no more powerful than half a dozen others in this fight. He's in the same neighborhood, which is why he belongs with the other planet busters. But not above them.Thor dented Galactus and rendered Ego catatonic for a time. Big whup. Surfer has the Crunch feat. Alan took on the entire JLA/JSA and only lost because he contained his power and stopped fighting. Strange and Fate have countered abstracts numerous times. Majestic rearranged a solar system. Thor did what he did to Mercy (numerous insane feats), an abstract. Quasar is not the only one with good feats.
Also, post the whole fight. There's literally no context in that scan. I'm also completely sure Warlock has knocked Quasar unconscious more than once. On the off chance that you found a feat to the contrary (still to be determined, but possible) then they've split their encounters.
The scan I providing was not out of context. Quasar was beating Adam handily, until Adam used the Soul Gem.
But, I don't mind providing support for my opinion. TBC.
I don't know about Quasar. If people really believe that Superman and Gladiator are physically just as strong as each other (which is an outright lie...Gladiator is stronger) then he might not match up with DC heavy weights like people here think that he could. Gladiator was too powerful for Quasar and would have lost easily if Black Bolt didn't intervene.
