Originally posted by Naija boy
JSA has probably been my fave DC book over the past 4 or so years so i know Alans feats but im really not getting how he is so considerably above either Thor or Surfer based on even the things you have mentioned. Team busting i believe is vastly overstated particularly due to the ninja law and most people in the teams fighting like retards. The recent crossover event involving the whole star heart takeover business i believe is par the course for that. The team of heroes that Alan controlled by the starheart fought was no more impressive than those whom Black Adam fought in World War 3 id say (In Alans case there were a bunch of characters who would be fodder for any legit top tier herald level character). Heck Black Adams team was definitely more impressive because it included Adam himself and yet i certainly would not use that to place Adam a tier above even some of the guys he fought in that arc. Furthermore aside from relative comparisons if we actually look at that group for what it was worth instead of falling into the trap of the "team busting" generalization, it is doubtful whether it can even be used to place Adam above Surfer and Thor level. I mean aside the fact that Gl's are chronic offenders when it comes to the ninja law, Kyle's (the biggest hitter in the fight) ring was made completely ineffective by the starheart and so was a non factor. Furthermore the characters, as is always the case when its team vs own teammate, were holding back trying to get through to him and whatnot. Its not all its being made out to be....I cant remember exactly what happened in the whole "book on willpower" feat so please remind me of what went on. The scythe feat again is not something which Thor and Surfer are incapable of replicating given their own feat banks (seeing as scythe was previously put down by what was perhaps a city busting attack at best).
Quite frankly both Thor and Surfer have feats which outright top the feats you have mentioned that are supposed to propel Alan far beyond them....Viewing alan as more powerful is one thing (though arguable) but this supposedly huge gap i believe is non existent and unsupported by their respective histories.
"Huge gap" is a strawman. It's not huge.
The Book of Willpower feat was when he went off on Obsidian and engulfed the planet with his green light. The beam that subsequently shot off from Earth was wider than the Earth, and we were not shown the limits of how far it stretched into space.
In this case it just comes down to interpretation of feats. I put the Scythe feat on level with pretty much anything Thor or Surfer have done, given how easily Alan accomplished it. I also put the magic-city and Starheart team buster feats beyond anything they've done.
The entire reason I see this fight in DC's favor is because I think Alan could handle any one person on team Marvel, and probably 2 of the "lesser" opponents (i.e. not Surfer or Thor). Let's say Thor did match up against Alan. It would be a long, drawn-out fight that would not be easily won. Same with Surfer (though sans Mjolnir's insane energy soak, I think Surfer goes down faster despite having as much overall power...just a worse matchup for him). I see Alan winning eventually 1-v-1, maybe you don't. But those are only 2 of 10 possible opponents, so probability dictates that he'd get someone else most times. Either way, I have never said he'd mop the floor with Thor or Surfer.
I do think he's the most powerful in this fight, and I do think his history supports this. It's cool if you don't though.
