Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean?I see these scans (And IIRC their earlier encounter) and think of a close fight:
Skrank sees this and he thinks of how he can spin this to best benefit Wolverine, i.e. a one sided stomp in Gorgon's favor. I'm fine with it, everyone does it to some extent when they have a stake, but at least be reasonable about this shit.
What's even about it? They lock blades twice... then Phobos gets killed. That's not an even fight. Punisher has had better fights with Daredevil that amounted him getting his ass kicked for twelve pages...
Again: What is even about it?
It's the equivalent of two fighters clinching, one fighter throwing a body shot... and the other fighter throwing a knock out punch a minute into the first round. That isn't an even fight. There is some cool speed lines... but that is about it. The clash swords twice, Phobos manages to tag Gorgon with his Blade, they clash swords again, the swords break, then Gorgon kills him. That isn't a competitive fight. Wolverine put up a noticeably better fight and that fight was still a one sided beat down on the part of Gorgon.
Gorgon should have killed Ironfist with the kick to his head.
Some one who can hold his own with two elites ma'ers should be a to handle Ironfist. I mean what use is blunt trauma to someone like the Gorgon who feels no pain and has an insane healing factor.
I could see danny knocking his head off with his iron fist punch but I really dont see it being the norm with Gorgon's reaction speed reflex and mind reading.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean?I see these scans (And IIRC their earlier encounter) and think of a close fight:
Skrank sees this and he thinks of how he can spin this to best benefit Wolverine, i.e. a one sided stomp in Gorgon's favor. I'm fine with it, everyone does it to some extent when they have a stake, but at least be reasonable about this shit.
gotta admit, i'd look at that as close as well.....
Originally posted by Trackz
Phobos even lands the first hit...don't see it as a stomp.
So did Wolverine when he fought Gorgon... and it was still a stomp.
Hell some random gym fighter tagged Cowboy Cerrone a couple of times in spar... and then he got knocked out almost instantly (which is more or less what happened Gorgon v Phobos).
I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that was a even or competitive fight. Par the course for Trackz and Silent Master, but I expect better from Rage and Leo.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Again: What is even about it?It's the equivalent of two fighters clinching, one fighter throwing a body shot... and the other fighter throwing a knock out punch a minute into the first round. That isn't an even fight. There is some cool speed lines... but that is about it. The clash swords twice, Phobos manages to tag Gorgon with his Blade, they clash swords again, the swords break, then Gorgon kills him. That isn't a competitive fight. Wolverine put up a noticeably better fight and that fight was still a one sided beat down on the part of Gorgon.
Nah, kid did well. Gorgon is twice the kids size and had better arm reach. Wasn't a stomp at all.
Meh, I think the nature of comics make it easy to spin this sort of thing. I think most people count pages, and the Gorgon/Phobos fight does look dead even for most of five pages, with clear artistic intent to show this - the matching poses, trading gaze attacks, breaking blades simultaneously - Gorgon and Phobos are clearly depicted as even fighters, and then Gorgon wins.
Of course, if you have a fighter to back or push, it's an easy fight to see a little differently. If you count parries/strikes instead of pages, then Gorgon and Phobos barely got started before Gorgon slew him in one strike, and we know that Gorgon was barely scratched.
I think that's sort of the nature of comics though - space is limited, panels are big, fights are relatively short. Were that fight depicted on the screen, I get the solid impression that it would be fast, even and a really good watch, with Gorgon eventually pulling a fatal blow after a good amount of action.
As for Gorgon/Iron Fist, Gorgon should win based on feats, and that is, I feel, for the most part pretty indisputable. He's about to finally wrack up some low showings though (a long time coming), and that happens to every comic book villain. Obviously previous vs threads weren't much of a prediction of how a fight would go down in the comics, because we know well enough to recognize that Bendis - nor any writer - doesn't think like we do.
Originally posted by Existere
Meh, I think the nature of comics make it easy to spin this sort of thing. I think most people count pages, and the Gorgon/Phobos fight does look dead even for most of five pages, with clear artistic intent to show this - the matching poses, trading gaze attacks, breaking blades simultaneously - Gorgon and Phobos are clearly depicted as even fighters, and then Gorgon wins.Of course, if you have a fighter to back or push, it's an easy fight to see a little differently. If you count parries/strikes instead of pages, then Gorgon and Phobos barely got started before Gorgon slew him in one strike, and we know that Gorgon was barely scratched.
I think that's sort of the nature of comics though - space is limited, panels are big, fights are relatively short. Were that fight depicted on the screen, I get the solid impression that it would be fast, even and a really good watch, with Gorgon eventually pulling a fatal blow after a good amount of action.
As for Gorgon/Iron Fist, Gorgon should win based on feats, and that is, I feel, for the most part pretty indisputable. He's about to finally wrack up some low showings though (a long time coming), and that happens to every comic book villain. Obviously previous vs threads weren't much of a prediction of how a fight would go down in the comics, because we know well enough to recognize that Bendis - nor any writer - doesn't think like we do.
The fight has large and elaborate "manga" style panels... but nothing really happens. What we are shown would amount to less than a minute of combat, the fact that the art is flashy hardly indicates that it was an even fight. Even fights don't end after half a dozen moves in one character's death. It's like saying "Wow, John Fitch and Johny Hendricks had a real even fight until Hendricks knocked him out twelve seconds into the first round..." It's an illogical assessment. Even fights simply don't end that quickly. The lock swords twice, Gorgon gets grazed, the swords break, Gorgon grabs Phobos and kills him. That's what happened.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I think Gorgon's higher end speed feats (which, for some time, represented his average speed feats) would/could/should suggest that he'd be dancing around Danny. Besides that though, it doesn't bother me that Danny can hold his own skill-wise, or that he could damage Gorgon. To keep up with Tomi though is either a speed feat on the higher end for Danny (but not completely out of reason) or on the lower end for Gorgon.
^ I just have to assume Gorgon is not using his tp or stone stare. Given that, I am not surprised by Iron Fist going toe-to-toe with him in close combat. I'm curious who would be surprised though.
Just how I see it though. srug
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[B]being jobbed out to Iron Fist instead is slightly more respectable... but still an embarrassment.
How's being jobbed out to a character with physical stats to rival, and in some areas surpass, Spider Man, on top of being a martial arts master, an embarrassment? 😕
