Hey, fair enough. It's not strongly indicated either way whether telepathy was to blame for her getting destroyed, though when she does lose her psi blockers in the later battle, it's commented that he (Gorgon) can now read her like an open book.
That being said, in that battle she was teamed with Wolverine, packing no shortage of SHIELD tech and Gorgon was still keeping pace with the two of them, enough to make Logan comment "Damn, he's fast". Then there are his handful of impressive speed feats both pre and post resurrection that telepathy can't really account for, and in total it makes me think he's at least faster than Danny- though by how much, your mileage may vary.
Either way, not using his telepathy still rounds this down to a lower showing, but like I said, happens to everybody and Gorgon certainly had his coming.
Originally posted by cdtmBesides in punching power, where does Iron Fist surpass Spider-Man? Unless using his IF to punch like a mofo was all you meant.
How's being jobbed out to a character with physical stats to rival, and in some areas surpass, Spider Man, on top of being a martial arts master, an embarrassment? 😕
Originally posted by ExistereGorgon certainly has speed. It's just that based on Iron Fist's own demonstrated speed, I don't see Gorgon's speed being fast enough to dance around Iron Fist without telepathy working. I could see it being a noticeable advantage if a fight between them solely came down to speed... but that advantage diminishes with Iron Fist's considerable fighting skill and inner chi. Enough so, that I'm not surprised at all that they could fight evenly or almost evenly.
Hey, fair enough. It's not strongly indicated either way whether telepathy was to blame for her getting destroyed, though when she does lose her psi blockers in the later battle, it's commented that he (Gorgon) can now read her like an open book.That being said, in that battle she was teamed with Wolverine, packing no shortage of SHIELD tech and Gorgon was still keeping pace with the two of them, enough to make Logan comment "Damn, he's fast". Then there are his handful of impressive speed feats both pre and post resurrection that telepathy can't really account for, and in total it makes me think he's at least faster than Danny- though by how much, your mileage may vary.
Either way, not using his telepathy still rounds this down to a lower showing, but like I said, happens to everybody and Gorgon certainly had his coming.
It's why I wasn't surprised Phobos fought Gorgon evenly or almost evenly. Even though Phobos lacks speed feats even on Iron Fist's level, he obviously could no-sell his telepathy, was greatly skilled and his limited precog (not dependent on tp) made up for the lack of independent speed.
Originally posted by SamZED
Oh God.. Only one page. Gorgon is not even losing. But I already wanna throw up... No disrespect for Danny, but it shouldve been over by 4th pannel...
Yea, Gorgon is jobbing...he's getting MrXed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gorgon certainly has speed. It's just that based on Iron Fist's own demonstrated speed, I don't see Gorgon's speed being fast enough to dance around Iron Fist without telepathy working. I could see it being a noticeable advantage if a fight between them solely came down to speed... but that advantage diminishes with Iron Fist's considerable fighting skill and inner chi. Enough so, that I'm not surprised at all that they could fight evenly or almost evenly.It's why I wasn't surprised Phobos fought Gorgon evenly or almost evenly. Even though Phobos lacks speed feats even on Iron Fist's level, he obviously could no-sell his telepathy, was greatly skilled and his limited precog (not dependent on tp) made up for the lack of independent speed.
Yes but he stomped Elektra and Wolverine with blockers on....is his TP getting blocked when he fought IF?
Originally posted by DeadlineHe only started really stomping them after he knocked them off. And nobody knows for sure whether his tp is getting blocked when fighting IF. The issue ain't out yet. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if IF is using some technique or chi-related defense to negate Gorgon's telepathy. Or maybe Gorgon just wants to see how good he is and is choosing not to use it.
Yes but he stomped Elektra and Wolverine with blockers on....is his TP getting blocked when he fought IF?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He only started really stomping them after he knocked them off. And nobody knows for sure whether his tp is getting blocked when fighting IF. The issue ain't out yet. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if IF is using some technique or chi-related defense to negate Gorgon's telepathy. Or maybe Gorgon just wants to see how good he is and is choosing not to use it.
Hmm you may have a point I'll check. Bare in mind that was after a rocket launcher blew up his house while he was in it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So did Wolverine when he fought Gorgon... and it was still a stomp.Hell some random gym fighter tagged Cowboy Cerrone a couple of times in spar... and then he got knocked out almost instantly (which is more or less what happened Gorgon v Phobos).
I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that was a even or competitive fight. Par the course for Trackz and Silent Master, but I expect better from Rage and Leo.
hrm. it seems pretty clear to me looking at the way the fight was drawn and written, and the effort and even anger gorgon seemed to be feeling during it that it was the author's intent that it be viewed as a close fight. gorgon was better, clearly, but no way i'd call that a stomp. haggler\hearns 8 minutes of fury was very short, but one of the best fights ever. though it ended quick, doesn't mean it was a stomp. at all.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Gorgon should have killed Ironfist with the kick to his head.Some one who can hold his own with two elites ma'ers should be a to handle Ironfist. I mean what use is blunt trauma to someone like the Gorgon who feels no pain and has an insane healing factor.
I could see danny knocking his head off with his iron fist punch but I really dont see it being the norm with Gorgon's reaction speed reflex and mind reading.
Clearly has not read much Iron fist if you think a kick from Gorgon kills him. Heaven help us if Danny is just that good now.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He only started really stomping them after he knocked them off. And nobody knows for sure whether his tp is getting blocked when fighting IF. The issue ain't out yet. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if IF is using some technique or chi-related defense to negate Gorgon's telepathy. Or maybe Gorgon just wants to see how good he is and is choosing not to use it.
This. When he beat Mr. X it was claimed that he switched to druken style kung fu to counter the telepathy. Perhaps we see something similar here. The fact of the matter is that I believe that Danny is more skilled now and that there's been a push to slowly get him to be the top dog in MA. Also isn't he an avatar of some sort now? That could play into it as well.
In Defenders he showed some nice abilities as well. Fighting in zero gravity. Taking a bullet to the sternum and healing himself etc.