Originally posted by Stoic
What time does she have to do all of this conjuring and manipulating this and that? The Hulk is in her face, what does she do?
Whatever she wants. Building a force-field with her class 100+ TK or phasing can be done with a thought (Can the Hulk hit an intangible opponent?). Sersi can obviously use her powers simultaneously and do pretty much all of her more bizarre, high-end stuff with no noticeable time. Making a ton of adamantium (as people have suggested) would not come close to qualifying as high-end.
It would be like dodging an object moving at minimum 11x faster than a speeding bullet. She's not dodging this. [/B]
Where are you getting this number?
Originally posted by carver9I wish you could spell the word hypocrite.
Quan, I'm debating like you buddy. You disregard context when it suits you and accept it when it doesn't suits you (hypocrit).When did I say Surfer lost to SAVAGE Hulk...I said HULK. I also said Thor lost to SAVAGE Hulk and he did.
Thanos admitted he avoids confronting Hulk. I don't blame him.
Thor wasn't beaten and the hulk left. That isn't a win. That's called a forfeit.
Thanos has confronted the Hulk on panel now act like a man and quit repeating yourself. You're incapable of debate.
Originally posted by carver9It's hypocrite. LOL at cha.
Just like you ignored context in the Gladiator vs Masterson fight. Just like you ignored context in the Spiderman and Hulk fight. I like your style of debate Quan...accept it and move on Hypocrit.
My point was never that Masterson Thor was more formidable just that Gladiator can't weather his attacks for long at all.
Spiderman beat the Hulk up fair and square. Environment always plays a factor quit making up excuses the Hulk lost.
Originally posted by StoicActually yes it does happen a lot.
Not really it simply shows how powerful the Hulk was which is what the writer wanted to show everyone. The idea that the Hulk did not even touch the objects that were destroyed places him at a level far above Nul ever showed on panel. This is something that no one can argue against. I would also love to know what any of this has to do with the thread? I saw people saying that Sersi is going to do this and that mess to the Hulk. But what is Hulk doing? Is he sitting there waiting for her to do all of this crap to him, or is he allowed to act?
Surfer on Earth vs Surfer in space are two different beings when it comes to collateral damage, even when he is saying he is giving it his best hots.h
Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't matter what Armageddon powers are...he defeated two elite beings which puts him in the elite tier.By the way, WWH did hurt Juggernaut and admitted on panel that he wasn't there to fight him and dismissed him with a mere slap.
Ok then this shows me how straight ridiculous this is with you. WWH NEVER hurt Juggernaut at full power, and didn't casually dismiss him. He couldn't over power him so used Cain's own momentum to get him out of his way.
And just because you beat someone Elite with a Plot Device power doesn't make you elite.
As for the rest Savage Hulk got KOed by a lightning bolt from Thor, he was able to take a couple as Nul.
Plus wasn't Nul WWH when he picked up the hammer or are you going to say no to that because you just don't want him to be.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Except I just showed a scan that contradicted it. Asgardians are 3 times as durable/strong as humans. Thor is an Asgardian too. Sersi is far above the standard Eternal. Most Eternals get disorientated from teleportation, however Sersi doesn’t show this disorientation.
You're scan does not contradict what the original handbook says in the case of Eternals. It says that if they have their molecules separated by a great enough distance, then they would never be able to reform, thus rendering them dead. The power that WB Hulk was pouring out scattered the molecules of his opponents so far apart that if Sersi was there she would have been incapable of reforming.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're scan does not contradict what the original handbook says in the case of Eternals. It says that if they have their molecules separated by a great enough distance, then they would never be able to reform, thus rendering them dead. The power that WB Hulk was pouring out scattered the molecules of his opponents so far apart that if Sersi was there she would have been incapable of reforming.
Again, if you'd like, I'll show you many scans showing Sersi's superiority over other Eternals. Secondly, I'd like to see a canon source showing that that would kill Sersi (such as it actually happening, or at the very least a reliable character stating it would happen).
Could maybe a mod clarify this? Does handbook information count as a canon source in vs debates here?
Originally posted by Newjak
😆Ok then this shows me how straight ridiculous this is with you. WWH NEVER hurt Juggernaut at full power, and didn't casually dismiss him. He couldn't over power him so used Cain's own momentum to get him out of his way.
And just because you beat someone Elite with a Plot Device power doesn't make you elite.
As for the rest Savage Hulk got KOed by a lightning bolt from Thor, he was able to take a couple as Nul.
Plus wasn't Nul WWH when he picked up the hammer or are you going to say no to that because you just don't want him to be.
The Hulk was also holding back during his confrontation with Cain, and was nowhere near going World Breaker. he wasn't there to fight Cain, he just had a score to settle with Xavier. That comic just placed the shoe on the Hulk feet in terms of being unstoppable, and even Cain was unable to stop the Hulk from getting to Xavier. Again the Hulk was holding back all along.
Originally posted by Newjak
😆Ok then this shows me how straight ridiculous this is with you. WWH NEVER hurt Juggernaut at full power, and didn't casually dismiss him. He couldn't over power him so used Cain's own momentum to get him out of his way.
And just because you beat someone Elite with a Plot Device power doesn't make you elite.
As for the rest Savage Hulk got KOed by a lightning bolt from Thor, he was able to take a couple as Nul.
Plus wasn't Nul WWH when he picked up the hammer or are you going to say no to that because you just don't want him to be.
He casually dismissed him and also stopped his forward momentum.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg
Armageddon using HIS powers against his opponents is HIM defeating them.
Savage Hulk also defeated Thor. How about you show me these scans that make Nul>Savage Hulk.
As for WWH picking ul the hammer. You do know who WWH is right? A pissed, over powered Hulk. Hulk when approaching the hammer was at a calm state because he settled down with Betty. To suggest that once he picked up that hammer he jumped straight to WWH levels is asinine at best.
WWH>>Nul until you show me something.
Originally posted by Stoic🙄
The Hulk was also holding back during hie confrontation with Cain, and was nowhere near going World Breaker. he wasn't there to fight Cain, he just had a score to settle with Xavier. That comic just placed the shoe on the Hulk feet in terms of being unstoppable, and even Cain was unable to stop the Hulk from getting to Xavier. Again the Hulk was holding back all along.
Hulk resorted to using Cain's own momentum to self BFR himself. He might have been holding back but he was still losing until he did that.
Originally posted by carver9You know all that scan shows is that Cain was pushing WWH backwards right 😛
He casually dismissed him and also stopped his forward momentum.http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg
Armageddon using HIS powers against his opponents is HIM defeating them.
Savage Hulk also defeated Thor. How about you show me these scans that make Nul>Savage Hulk.
As for WWH picking ul the hammer. You do know who WWH is right? A pissed, over powered Hulk. Hulk when approaching the hammer was at a calm state because he settled down with Betty. To suggest that once he picked up that hammer he jumped straight to WWH levels is asinine at best.
WWH>>Nul until you show me something.
You missed the point completely. If Armageddon is using someone's power to defeat themselves then he is not using his own power levels to beat them, he is using theirs. It may have been his specific power he was using but it wasn't his actual power elves doing the work. I hope you can understand that.
I thought WWH was a calm Hulk who was channeling his emotions 😛
Originally posted by carver9
Nul got CRUSHED by the Avengers...hell, Ms. Marvel overpowered him TWICE and Spider Woman punches was knocking chunks of flesh off of him.http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/639/nulvsavengers.jpg
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http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3171/nulvsavengers015.jpgHulk was standing in front of a more powerful team...WWH, and they pissed on themselves. WWH even tells them in their face that they can't do anything to him and Ms. marvel was one of the people (the same one that was tossing Nul around).
http://m980.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur2292/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html?o=77
Then they all attack Skaar and they can't even move him out of his spot with all of their attacks (remember, this is the same team that faced Nul INCLUDING extra powerhouses).
Guess what Hulk does, he overpower this same amped Skaar with one hand and mock his strength. WWH>>Nul.
http://m980.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur2292/IncredibleHulk611011.jpg.html?o=83
Originally posted by carver9Oh no you posted the Avengers scans. I read the story carver so nice try but that doesn't change anything.
Nul is still WWH amped.
They even mentioned during the entire story they were lucky to have survived that, and the only reason they didn't run away was because people were in danger.
Originally posted by Newjak
Oh no you posted the Avengers scans. I read the story carver so nice try but that doesn't change anything.Nul is still WWH amped.
They even mentioned during the entire story they were lucky to have survived that, and the only reason they didn't run away was because people were in danger.
😂 Nul got his a** whipped by Ms. Marvel and Spider Woman. Lol and you are saying he is close to WWH.
Show me some fts that put Nul above WWH, let alone Savage Hulk and stop making excuses. Spider Woman punches was rocking him and Ms. Marvel overpowered him twice.
Originally posted by Newjak
You know all that scan shows is that Cain was pushing WWH backwards right 😛You missed the point completely. If Armageddon is using someone's power to defeat themselves then he is not using his own power levels to beat them, he is using theirs. It may have been his specific power he was using but it wasn't his actual power elves doing the work. I hope you can understand that.
I thought WWH was a calm Hulk who was channeling his emotions 😛
Shaking my head.
Originally posted by carver9Same mindset as the WW Hulk and the same logic you use. He also has a war hammer. Sorry, you're wrong.
😂 Nul got his a** whipped by Ms. Marvel and Spider Woman. Lol and you are saying he is close to WWH.Show me some fts that put Nul above WWH, let alone Savage Hulk and stop making excuses. Spider Woman punches was rocking him and Ms. Marvel overpowered him twice.
