Originally posted by JakeTheBankOne pantheon worth of magical energy while admittedly extremely powerful is nothing to the contents of the entire universe of magic which the starheart absorbed for xxxx number of years. You can't seriously believe that the Odin Force is greater than somebody capable of unleashing the cumulative power of the entire universe in terms of magic.
Alan wouldn't stomp OF Thor.
Has Alan ever done that, though?
It's like I said in that thread Quan made:
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Starheart is made up of all the chaotic and wild magic in the universe the Guardians of the Universe attempted to seal away prior to the induction of the Green Lantern Corps. Potentially, the full power of the Starheart, which we've never really seen, should be something equal to a vast majority of the magical energy in the universe.By feats, Odin Force trumps the Starheart by a good degree. There's nothing I've seen the Starheart do that I don't think the Odin Force could replicate, assuming it hasn't already. By implied power/status, the Starheart should have a greater wealth of power.
I wouldn't give the most powerful on panel version of Alan Scott the win over Odin, if that helps.
So, by feats, I don't see Alan stomping OF Thor. Unless we're to use a hypothetical version of Alan that we've not seen on panel.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThis is a fight to the death... already has him out of character unless he's mad under the influence of the starheart..
Has Alan ever done that, though?It's like I said in that thread Quan made:
So, by feats, I don't see Alan stomping OF Thor. Unless we're to use a hypothetical version of Alan that we've not seen on panel.
I don't think anyone is arguing the Odin Force being > Starheart at least in terms of status/implied power. But the thing is, Alan simply didn't do anything to warrant him using the full power of the Starheart, which isn't the entirely of all magic in the DCU, just its wild and chaotic magic. Even so, if you truly believe Alan has that level of power at his command, then that would make Alan cease from being High Herald to Trans level to bordering on abstract if we take it at face value.
As a pretty big JSA/Alan Scott fan, there's nothing I can remember off hand that would put Alan on such a level, even at his best on panel performances.
So, yeah, the idea of Alan stomping OF Thor is pretty wild based on feats.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't think anyone is arguing the Odin Force being > Starheart at least in terms of status/implied power. But the thing is, Alan simply didn't do anything to warrant him using the full power of the Starheart, which isn't the entirely of all magic in the DCU, just its wild and chaotic magic. Even so, if you truly believe Alan has that level of power at his command, then that would make Alan cease from being High Herald to Trans level to bordering on abstract if we take it at face value.As a pretty big JSA/Alan Scott fan, there's nothing I can remember off hand that would put Alan on such a level, even at his best on panel performances.
So, yeah, the idea of Alan stomping OF Thor is pretty wild based on feats.
Fighting Mordru?
Fighting Mordru isn't an abstract feat. It's not necessarily even skyfather status, as Alan has battled Mordru several times, and winds up getting beat. The last time Alan fought Mordru, Mordru was depowered and not at full power, but even so he wasn't strong enough to outright beat him.
To me, stomping someone is akin to beating them so bad said opponent has no chance in hell in beating them or really even mustering a decent chance of defending themselves. Non-Odin Force Thor has the feats to warrant him hanging with Alan.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fighting Mordru isn't an abstract feat. It's not necessarily even skyfather status, as Alan has battled Mordru several times, and winds up getting beat. The last time Alan fought Mordru, Mordru was depowered and not at full power, but even so he wasn't strong enough to outright beat him.To me, stomping someone is akin to beating them so bad said opponent has no chance in hell in beating them or really even mustering a decent chance of defending themselves. Non-Odin Force Thor has the feats to warrant him hanging with Alan.
Mordru was still strong enough to create pocket dimensions. Right?
Originally posted by Prep-ManMordru is strong enough to do a lot of things depending on when you want to pull him from... His power fluctuation is a bit weird at times IMO but overall he's a monster I'd put into the skyfather class at least if not higher considering at top level he's on the level of a high end Time Trapper, Glorith Shazam at the RoE who I'd still give the nod to against a high end Odin as well as being legitimately unkillable. As much as Quan may rage that Thanos being the avatar of death would enable him to kill Mordru it just isn't the case. One of Mordru's most notable abilities/inherent virtue is that he cannot die... ever. Will not happen cannot happen and he has always existed will always exist from big bang to the next universe. I'm interested to see if the DC 52 reset actually effected him.
Mordru was still strong enough to create pocket dimensions. Right?
Originally posted by Uriel005
Mordru is strong enough to do a lot of things depending on when you want to pull him from... His power fluctuation is a bit weird at times IMO but overall he's a monster I'd put into the skyfather class at least if not higher considering at top level he's on the level of a high end Time Trapper, Glorith Shazam at the RoE who I'd still give the nod to against a high end Odin as well as being legitimately unkillable. As much as Quan may rage that Thanos being the avatar of death would enable him to kill Mordru it just isn't the case. One of Mordru's most notable abilities/inherent virtue is that he cannot die... ever. Will not happen cannot happen and he has always existed will always exist from big bang to the next universe. I'm interested to see if the DC 52 reset actually effected him.
DCnU Mordru doesn't seem 1/3 a powerful as his other incarnations. If he was, Demon Knights would be over a long time ago.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Mordru was still strong enough to create pocket dimensions. Right?
Yes, and such a feat isn't beyond the Odin Force.
The point of the matter is that, on panel, Alan has done nothing to suggest him stomping Thor, let alone Thor with the Odin Force. I've already addressed the Starheart as opposed to the Odin Force in terms of scope and status, but Alan's never operated on the level he'd need to be to stomp OF Thor.