Worldbreaker Hulk vs JLA

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am open to being convinced. I guess what I'm after is the Hulk resisting something as deep as what MM is able to pull off - for example waking up and suddenly realising one day that his entire reality as he knew it was wrong, and he fights it off, only to realise he's actually been on Doom's operating table this entire time, or something. Something Matrixy lol. Something like what the Key did to the JLA, or how Wolverine slowly realised that the House of M reality was 'wrong'. That kinda thing.

Then there's an eternal stalemate between an intangible MM and an air elemental and WBh.

And the other strategy of just using WW's lasso.

How are they getting pass WBH OMNI blast to lasso him?

Originally posted by carver9
How are they getting pass WBH OMNI blast to lasso him?

Intangible/invisible MM goes through the ground, drapes it around Hulk, for one. Did Hulk's omni blast destroy the ground he was standin on too? Plus, are you asking me to show MM being intangible against energy output?

See page 5. You never did address the Flash running faster than the Omni blast, btw.

Also, why is omni always typed out in uppercase?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Intangible/invisible MM goes through the ground, drapes it around Hulk, for one. Did Hulk's omni blast destroy the ground he was standin on too? Plus, are you asking me to show MM being intangible against energy output?

See page 5. You never did address the Flash running faster than the Omni blast, btw.

Also, why is omni always typed out in uppercase?

Yes his OMNI blast destroyed the ground he was standing on along with everything else. The blast was going through the mantle as well.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094189/Incredible_Hulks_632_021.jpg.html

As for your second question...lol...I don't know why people capitalize it, I did it because I seen everyone else do it.

Originally posted by carver9
How are they getting pass WBH OMNI blast to lasso him?

By WW lassoing him before he claps. 😛

She's fast enough to outrace bullets or sound waves.

And Flash could always sap/lend speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is completely resistant to mind attacks...none of that is working. You'll have to show something like this working in order for it to hold weight because I showed you Hulk being completely immune to any type of mind.soothing or attacks.

Lol...so MM is a more powerful telepath than both Xavier and Emma combined? Yeah right.

Sentry has the ability to mentally cool the Hulk down to the point that he reverts back to Banner (used this against Savage Hulk). Reed created a mimic of a device similar to Sentry powers...Hulk resists it.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Reedtech.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Reedtech1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Reedtech2.jpg

Hulks mind was attacked the entire issue...nothing worked. Now show me that proof that it will work because I can post more mind attack scans if you want.

You're missing the point.

This is going to go forever isn't it?

A World Breaker Hulk with Power Gem (clenched in hand or swallowed) exploding a limited terrain like holding a firecracker in ones hand cept the hand is the entire battlefield, whilst a telepath attempts to communicate to speedsters tactics whilst attempting to first-
-Assualt WBH.
-Scan and find a weakness.
-Create illusions to confuse...
this incarnation and-
-Supply tactics.
Whilst the damage has been set.

Flash survives this? With all his feats Flash in the time WBH cracks can achieve enough buildup speed to-
-Steal his speed.
-Achieve enough speed to achieve wavelengths to steal the Soul Gem through Hulk's body.
-Do an amped punch.
And whilst Martian Manhunter is doing this all within a willed explosion?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As for foot stomping etc, that won't matter when MM is invisible and intangible.

Hulk can see the invisible. Why is MM intangibility different to The Vision?

Shit WBH has power gem???? I'm not even sure if the JLA can hurt him even if they go FTL.

Originally posted by Deadline
Hulk can see the invisible. Why is MM intangibility different to The Vision?

Shit WBH has power gem???? I'm not even sure if the JLA can hurt him even if they go FTL.

He can see some people when invisible for instance he can see Sue also just because he can grab Vision does not mean he can MM its is certainly possible but the way the like of Vision, MM, and for example shadow cat achieve the effect are all different.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
He can see some people when invisible for instance he can see Sue

He can see astral forms see through llusions, hes seeing MM.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
also just because he can grab Vision does not mean he can MM its is certainly possible but the way the like of Vision, MM, and for example shadow cat achieve the effect are all different.

Ok so Black Lightning is different to Electro? Is a punch from Supermans different to Thors?

Originally posted by carver9
Yes his OMNI blast destroyed the ground he was standing on along with everything else. The blast was going through the mantle as well.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094189/Incredible_Hulks_632_021.jpg.html

As for your second question...lol...I don't know why people capitalize it, I did it because I seen everyone else do it.

Carver did Hulk get some new powers...or is that just him powering up? I mean when he was fighting Sentry he had Gamma energy flowing threw his body into the ground. If Hulk has finally moved into the 21st century with some enrgy powers then I will give him way more respect. I always thought Hulk wasn't versatile enough.

MM ain't doing shit.

The Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds. IH #155
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/0af43354bb
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/9fed35dbc1

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Carver did Hulk get some new powers...or is that just him powering up? I mean when he was fighting Sentry he had Gamma energy flowing threw his body into the ground. If Hulk has finally moved into the 21st century with some enrgy powers then I will give him way more respect. I always thought Hulk wasn't versatile enough.

Yes...current Hulk is a monster.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
"Hell, the Hulk should hope Superman (who also has FAR faster combat reflexes than anyone the Hulk has ever faced)"

🙄

Someones been hitting the sauce early tonight... Ever heard of SS or Gladiator? Both of them are on par with if not faster than Supes.

Someone sure has hit the sauce. Show me the Silver Surfer using any speed blitzing whatsoever on the Hulk. Actually, show me the SS speed blitzing ANYONE. I've never seen him doing any kind of super fast punches on anyone. Now show me Gladiator speed blitzing the Hulk (and not just flying into him at some unknown rate of speed). In marvel traveling superfast usually involved going into hyperspace btw. I'll buy that Gladiator can fly from here to Vega in 2 seconds. Now show me him punching someone 20,000 times in one second like the Flash. Well, more to the point, show me Gladiator punching THE HULK 20,000 times in one second and the Hulk not only surviving but winning. You see, saying "Hulk has dealt with the SS before" only proves a point if the Hulk BEAT THE SURFER.

That's like saying, "Jubliee can beat the Flash because Jubliee fought Gladiator before and Gladiator is just as fast as the Flash, so the Jubliee can deal with speedsters". Really, your statement hasn't proven a damn thing.

And to answer someone else, no, I don't think DC characters are some kind of speed gods that are so fast no one can touch them. I was only saying that because most Hulk fans here are assuming Hulk thunderclaps in the first second of this fight (again, I'd love someone to show me him ever doing that). So if they want to make WBH go all out as fast as possible, I'm just showing that the Hulk isn't winning that game....not against this team.

As for the evidence of Hulk vs TPs...that's great stuff....now you have MMH's other 900 powers to deal with. After that, you can tell me how he deals with MMH AND the rest of this team at once.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Someone sure has hit the sauce. Show me the Silver Surfer using any speed blitzing whatsoever on the Hulk. Actually, show me the SS speed blitzing ANYONE. I've never seen him doing any kind of super fast punches on anyone. Now show me Gladiator speed blitzing the Hulk (and not just flying into him at some unknown rate of speed). In marvel traveling superfast usually involved going into hyperspace btw. I'll buy that Gladiator can fly from here to Vega in 2 seconds. Now show me him punching someone 20,000 times in one second like the Flash. Well, more to the point, show me Gladiator punching THE HULK 20,000 times in one second and the Hulk not only surviving but winning. You see, saying "Hulk has dealt with the SS before" only proves a point if the Hulk BEAT THE SURFER.

That's like saying, "Jubliee can beat the Flash because Jubliee fought Gladiator before and Gladiator is just as fast as the Flash, so the Jubliee can deal with speedsters". Really, your statement hasn't proven a damn thing.

And to answer someone else, no, I don't think DC characters are some kind of speed gods that are so fast no one can touch them. I was only saying that because most Hulk fans here are assuming Hulk thunderclaps in the first second of this fight (again, I'd love someone to show me him ever doing that). So if they want to make WBH go all out as fast as possible, I'm just showing that the Hulk isn't winning that game....not against this team.

As for the evidence of Hulk vs TPs...that's great stuff....now you have MMH's other 900 powers to deal with. After that, you can tell me how he deals with MMH AND the rest of this team at once.

The same way Doomsday dealt with them.

So....PIS and CIS?

Originally posted by Deadline
He can see astral forms see through llusions, hes seeing MM.

Ok so Black Lightning is different to Electro? Is a punch from Supermans different to Thors?

Ouch, worst possible example....yes, Thor's punches are different, one's mystical in nature, the other isn't....

Same way WWH couldn't grab Kitty......there are different methods of intangibility.

Shadowcat does it by passing her atoms through the atoms of other materials.

Vision does it by altering his density.

Flash does it by vibrating his molecules.

Superman goes intangible by doing the same as the Flash.

Originally posted by Deadline
MM ain't doing shit.

The Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds. IH #155
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/0af43354bb
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/9fed35dbc1

Lol, that's not what I asked for. Its kinda hard to attribute this win for the Hulk to his ability to resist illusions...WHEN THE BAD GUY EXPLAINS TO THE HULK HE IS CASTING ILLUSIONS lol.

Originally posted by carver9
The same way Doomsday dealt with them.

Doesn't really apply here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, that's not what I asked for. Its kinda hard to attribute this win for the Hulk to his ability to resist illusions...WHEN THE BAD GUY EXPLAINS TO THE HULK HE IS CASTING ILLUSIONS lol.

Um I think the point was that the illusions were so realistic that you want to believe its real.....reply to your other post later.

Originally posted by Deadline
Um I think the point was that the illusions were so realistic that you want to believe its real.....reply to your other post later.

Well, the way I am seeing it is this:

WBH unleashes his fury, knocks everyone out, then proceeds to tear them all a new one, and wears their heads as trophies. He then sits down, and is content. And never realises it was all an illusion.

Whereas, I think the Hulk side is seeing it as MM goes into the Hulk's head, and loudly proclaims: Stop, Hulk, for I AM THE MARTIAN MANHUNTER! I HAVE ENTERED YOUR MIND, WHERE I AM ALL POWERFUL, AND YOUR VAUNTED STRENGTH COUNTS FOR LITTLE!

Whereupon the Hulk proceeds to beat the green out out of him.

Is that fair to say? Because I agree 100% with the Hulk side, if MM does the second scenario. But I am arguing for the 1st.