Originally posted by Batman-Prime
SO I will reply.Eclipso controlling Superman means that Superman is fighting him, deep inside, and this is where Eclipso might use all of his powerS but not all of his power. There is resistance after all.
The same is true for Max Lord. Superman was raging and fighting like a madman that is =! non holding back Superman. In OWAW he was calm, calculating, fighting to the best of his abilities, non holding back. A BIG difference.
You can have it buddy.
Originally posted by Deadline
Proof?
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/02-SupermanManofSteelAnnual01-12.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegendYep. I've mentioned this a million times on the forum. I've probably even used it in a reply to him, and they still ask for it. lol.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/02-SupermanManofSteelAnnual01-12.jpg
Anyone who controls Superman is getting resisted to a level they probably haven't had before, thus it isn't complete.
Just as Maxwell had to put Superman into action long before he wanted to, because he was found out by Blue Beetle and jumped all his plans forward.
Even in the event of Beetle not finding him and escalating the plans, as we found in Booster Gold, his domination over Supes was still being resisted in the future.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yep. I've mentioned this a million times on the forum. I've probably even used it in a reply to him, and they still ask for it. lol.Anyone who controls Superman is getting resisted to a level they probably haven't had before, thus it isn't complete.
Just as Maxwell had to put Superman into action long before he wanted to, because he was found out by Blue Beetle and jumped all his plans forward.
Even in the event of Beetle not finding him and escalating the plans, as we found in Booster Gold, his domination over Supes was still being resisted in the future.
What about Superman fight against Black Adam when he admitted on panel that he wasn't holding back?
Originally posted by carver9Against Black Adam he was stating he doesn't need to be as careful, however as the fight escalated, he was ramping up his power higher and higher. This is evident in narration when he's trading blows with Adam it says the force is like bombs... then when Superman says he's going to end it and Adam quickly turns around, the blow he pulled would have shattered a moon. He was still escalating, still with no sign of limit.
What about Superman fight against Black Adam when he admitted on panel that he wasn't holding back?
He was gauging what it would take to put Adam down.
Originally posted by Juntai
Against Black Adam he was stating he doesn't need to be as careful, however as the fight escalated, he was ramping up his power higher and higher. This is evident in narration when he's trading blows with Adam it says the force is like bombs... then when Superman says he's going to end it and Adam quickly turns around, the blow he pulled would have shattered a moon. He was still escalating, still with no sign of limit.He was gauging what it would take to put Adam down.
😕 so the first punch he delivered where he stated there was no need to hold back was Superman still holding back? Do you have the scan that states that Superman was amping while fighting Adam?
Originally posted by carver9
😕 so the first punch he delivered where he stated there was no need to hold back was Superman stool holding back? Do you have the scan that states that Superman was amping while fighting Adam?
Originally posted by Juntai
This is evident in narration when he's trading blows with Adam it says the force is like bombs... then when Superman says he's going to end it and Adam quickly turns around, the blow he pulled would have shattered a moon. He was still escalating, still with no sign of limit.
If you need me to, I suppose I can sit you on my lap and read it for you so can hear the words being said out loud.
Originally posted by Juntai
If you need me to, I suppose I can sit you on my lap and read it for you so can hear the words being said out loud.
I understood what you said but I'm trying to figure out why you think Superman was holding back when he said that he wasn't. The narration and Superman clearly stated he wasn't holding back because he didn't need to against Adam. Adam didn't chicken out against Superman, he just didn't continue the fight because he wasn't there to fight Supes.
Originally posted by Juntai
Or is the comprehension problem not in the text, but in the inability to differentiate the power difference between bombs exploding and a moon shattering, and how one has to apply more power to get there?
I'm not even going to reply to this because you already know what I am going to say. I hope someone else come in here and say it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Particularly when the mind-control is accompanied by an actual amp.
Logically, if it can amp Lois Lane to a point where she can stagger Superman, it should amp Superman.
But practically, characters like Starman or Wonder Woman performed comparably to how they usually did, pre possession.
Plus, there's the fact Superman defeated Mon El. Superman fanboys get ammunition either way, basically.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not even going to reply to this because you already know what I am going to say. I hope someone else come in here and say it.
I haven't seen the scan, but I am going to ask if my comprehension of your guys' interpretation is correct.
BA and Superman fight.
Superman is possessed?
Superman states he's not holding back.
The force of his punches are like (small? Not sure) bombs.
They're still fighting
Superman then goes, I'm going to end this.
Punches with a force that would have destroyed a moon?
