Originally posted by abhilegend
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OOOO thought you were talking about when Eclipso possessed Superman and fought Captain Marvel, didn't see him resist shit then.
Originally posted by cdtmForgive me, but this just sounds like more of the same "Nul-wasn't-an-amped-Hulk" or "Deathverine/Hellverine-wasn't-an-amped-Wolverine" arguments.
Logically, if it can amp Lois Lane to a point where she can stagger Superman, it should amp Superman.But practically, characters like Starman or Wonder Woman performed comparably to how they usually did, pre possession.
Plus, there's the fact Superman defeated Mon El. Superman fanboys get ammunition either way, basically.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I haven't seen the scan, but I am going to ask if my comprehension of your guys' interpretation is correct.BA and Superman fight.
Superman is possessed?
Superman states he's not holding back.
The force of his punches are like (small? Not sure) bombs.
They're still fighting
Superman then goes, I'm going to end this.
Punches with a force that would have destroyed a moon?
Superman and Adam fight...no possession. Superman mentally tells himself that he doesn't need to hold back because its Adam. They fight, the narration states Superman and Adam punches are like Bombs...Adam wasn't there to fight and him knowing Superman won't hit him while his back is turned, he turns around...Superman stop his punch in mid swing. After this Superman states "this punch had enough force to split a moon in half"...!!HYPERBOLE"/BOASTING.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I wonder if the Hulk was holding back when Captain America took him down...
You are terrible at this. I could easily point out the same happening to Superman but your lowballing would get overlooked and I will get a warning. Let's not take this route because it wouldn't look good on either character.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Forgive me, but this just sounds like more of the same "Nul-wasn't-an-amped-Hulk" or "Deathverine/Hellverine-wasn't-an-amped-Wolverine" arguments.
I'm not really arguing "wasn't" amped, though. I'm simply arguing that there isn't much evidence for a significant amp on a high level character.
It's nearly the exact same situation with Thor's hammer. We know it amps characters, yet Bill was already nearly on Thor's physical level to begin with. And Thor writers (Simonson, I believe is one of them..) stated their beliefs that if Bill started off 90% of Thor's strength, the hammer only amped him to that 100%.
Even a writers opinion is just an opinion, though.
But again, in the case of Superman there's that catch 22 I mentioned:
If we give Captain Marvel the benefit of the doubt that Supermans amp was significant, that means Mon El's amp was significant as well. You can't have it both ways and argue it wasn't....
Which is why I prefer to believe Cap holding back on a friend vs Superman going all out was the main factor, and that Superman (Being less pure than Cap, and unhindered by the voices of self righteous gods in his ear telling him what to do. Their influence great enough to prevent him from revealing his identity to the JSA so he could have a relationship with Star Girl.) was putting more effort behind it to stop Mon El.
The alternative, is that Superman did better against an amped Mon El than Cap did against an amped Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Even though Cap was holding back tremendously?
That still leaves Superman beating an amped Mon El, though.
It's one thing to say he beat a "Base level +1" Mon El where Cap, even while holding back as usual, couldn't beat his Eclipsed self. But an amped Mon El? That's fanboy wankery material right there...
And you have to look at the entire series as a whole, instead of just one fight. What about Hal Jordon possessed, or Wonder Woman, or Starman, or Creeper...? Who else was amped, or seemed amped, besides some humans like Lois?
Originally posted by cdtm
That still leaves Superman beating an amped Mon El, though.It's one thing to say he beat a "Base level +1" Mon El where Cap, even while holding back as usual, couldn't beat his Eclipsed self. But an amped Mon El? That's fanboy wankery material right there...
And you have to look at the entire series as a whole, instead of just one fight. What about Hal Jordon possessed, or Wonder Woman, or Starman, or Creeper...? Who else was amped, or seemed amped, besides some humans like Lois?
I agree with you about all of it and I think its highly impressive that Superman beat Mon...but let's be realistic, if Captain Marvel wanted to end that fight, he could have. He was restraining himself tremendously to the point that he allowed Eclipso to pound on him.
Good showing on both ends imo...it just depend on how you look at it. Do you think an amped Superman/Eclipso was holding back against Captain Marvel?
Originally posted by cdtmWho here is trying to have it both ways?
I'm not really arguing "wasn't" amped, though. I'm simply arguing that there isn't much evidence for a significant amp on a high level character.It's nearly the exact same situation with Thor's hammer. We know it amps characters, yet Bill was already nearly on Thor's physical level to begin with. And Thor writers (Simonson, I believe is one of them..) stated their beliefs that if Bill started off 90% of Thor's strength, the hammer only amped him to that 100%.
Even a writers opinion is just an opinion, though.
But again, in the case of Superman there's that catch 22 I mentioned:
If we give Captain Marvel the benefit of the doubt that Supermans amp was significant, that means Mon El's amp was significant as well. You can't have it both ways and argue it wasn't....
Originally posted by Deadline
OOOO thought you were talking about when Eclipso possessed Superman and fought Captain Marvel, didn't see him resist shit then.
Originally posted by carver9
What the f***. Can you not tell when someone is ignoring you? Your post is terrible. Eclipso took over Supermans body and used ALL OF HIS POWER against Captain Marvel. There was no kryptonite around...nothing to weaken his body...Eclipso had full access to Superman powers.Same with Max Lord. Max Lord didn't weaken Supes, he made Superman witness Doomsday killing Lois but it was Wonder Woman that he put in Superman head as.Doomsday. Superman unleashed his full fury on Wonder Woman...no kryptonite on the battlefield, nothing but Superman and Wonder Woman. Now.stop quoting my post.
You've been told about this crap before. Stop.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Superman is not possessed.
I haven't seen the scan, but I am going to ask if my comprehension of your guys' interpretation is correct.BA and Superman fight.
Superman is possessed?
Superman states he's not holding back.
The force of his punches are like (small? Not sure) bombs.
They're still fighting
Superman then goes, I'm going to end this.
Punches with a force that would have destroyed a moon?
Carver got upset because his few examples in the thread so far have blown up in his face.
