Originally posted by the ninjak
[B]Flash has knowledge of the gem? Martian Manhunter has knowledge of the gem?MM always links them up at the speed of thought. What one of them knows, the others all khow. There's a reason why when fighting team wreckers, MM always goes down first....
[quote]And are we talking current feats for the two?
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yes he does.Good point about having fore-knowledge of the gem, and it would be good if the OP made it clear whether or not they know about it and what it does. If so, it gives them a big advantage. If not, it's a big disadvantage.
What don't you understand? Them flying up on Hulk will do nothing but cause them to feel dimensional destroying punches because they basically left themselves open by ramming into Hulks OMNI blast. All of these characters are physical fighters which isn't good for any of them. This isn't a fight for them to win.
So MM is going to relay information about the unknown big green guy to the team whilst he is thunder clapping for a win?
That there is a glowing energy source somewhere on his body and that maybe someone on the team should take it?
I'm not biased. I would like to see the team take this as much as the alternative. But can such a plan be achieved at the speed of a raging jumping thunderclap?
Then I agree more now with you Osiris this is more a 50/50 scenario. Instead of a group of super beings being caught in an exploding unbreakable bubble.
Originally posted by carver9
😂 You are celebrating "April Fool" kind of early. The shockwave alone from a punch from Hulk would finish or damage the team and thats just one punch made on contact with an object. His actual punches...let's put it like this...have you ever played with puddy? If so, Hulk will have a lot of that on the ground to play with once this fight is done.
You should start to think before posting. Hulk does his schockwave, MM goes intangible through the earth with superseed and through WBH, on his way through he takes the PG from Hulk and well from this point on Hulk is finished. Flas could do it too, he would need a picosecond to move to Hulk vibrate through him and take the PG on his way, after it there is nothing Hulk could do. so yeah. MM and Flash could solo^^.
MM can read minds so he knows about the PG. Flash has all the time in the world as the Omni😆Blast😆 Hulks newest uberpower, would do shit to both^^.
After Hulk omni blasts them all, it turns out to be a wish fulfillment scenario concocted by MM who has discovered his hearts.true desire. Satisfied his beloved Bettys killers are gone, the Hulk calms down, removing WBH from the battlefield in a self -BFR. MM, being phased into the ground out of harms way, is the last one standing.
JLA win.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
After Hulk omni blasts them all, it turns out to be a wish fulfillment scenario concocted by MM who has discovered his hearts.true desire. Satisfied his beloved Bettys killers are gone, the Hulk calms down, removing WBH from the battlefield in a self -BFR. MM, being phased into the ground out of harms way, is the last one standing.JLA win.
Unfortunately the death screams of Batman, Flash, Green Arrow, WW and I guess Hawkgirl result in such a strain on MM that he doesn't achieve such a concentrated mental strike on Hulk. Plus the sheer waves of a planet destroying blast in such a concentrated area wobble the waves in MM to cause a disruptive effect on his particle waves. 😛
lol Im just making this up. Regardless JLAers will die.
A great point was made about MMH reading Hulk's mind and knowing about the PG. Superman is not getting taken out by a Thunderclap. Superman's durability feats are second to none as far as high herald level characters go. WW has some pretty bad ass ones too. MMH can go intangible. The Flash can outrun any shockwave, although in scenario, that ability is quite limited. But he can always IMP well before the Hulk can do ANYTHING. The MMH can use his telepathy to possible slow down the Hulk. The Flash can steal the gem (if that happens this fight is over FAST). The GL can shield the entire group from a shockwave. yes, I know there has been much made of lowballing his shields here, but don't discount the high end showings either. Even if Hulk busts through his shield with a shockwave, it will be enough to protect them all from at least one attack.
This is all assuming the Hulk goes right to his thunderclap in the first SECONDS, which, of his 9,000,000 showings, he's done how many times exactly? Literally, people are assuming: Bell rings to start fight, Hulk raises his arms for Thunderclap!
Regardless, before he could do it, the Flash would be vibrating through his brain. Most of the JLA'ers are so fast they can react before the Hulk can do ANYTHING.
Now, the PG does make this a good fight, without it, WBH is toast. But even if you assume this is a good fight, if you think WBH takes this 10/10, you're simply delusional, because there are many ways for the JLA to win this.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You should start to think before posting. Hulk does his schockwave, MM goes intangible through the earth with superseed and through WBH, on his way through he takes the PG from Hulk and well from this point on Hulk is finished. Flas could do it too, he would need a picosecond to move to Hulk vibrate through him and take the PG on his way, after it there is nothing Hulk could do. so yeah. MM and Flash could solo^^.MM can read minds so he knows about the PG. Flash has all the time in the world as the Omni😆Blast😆 Hulks newest uberpower, would do shit to both^^.
Then Hulk phase through the ground with Martian Manhunter and then grabs him and punch him to dust. I like playing the "making up sh**" game.
My entire debate is about WBH WITHOUT the gem. He doesn't need it.
Originally posted by carver9
Then Hulk phase through the ground with Martian Manhunter and then grabs him and punch him to dust. I like playing the "making up sh**" game.My entire debate is about WBH WITHOUT the gem. He doesn't need it.
MM is faster and intangible, Hulk can do shit.
Without PG? You really like to play "making up BS", that's obvious now 😄.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bricks have always been a challenge for the jla let alone this mother of all Hulks.
This isn't a comic.
Originally posted by carver9
OMNI blast would prevent 90% of that from happening and Surfer could beat this team 10/10 by turning intangible and then creating black holes in their brains. It won't be a thing they can do about it. Don't you agree?
No.
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Also, I love that the JLA, that has defeated countless enemies more powerful than Hulk, is suddenly ineffectual against him for some reason.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
MM is faster and intangible, Hulk can do shit.Without PG? You really like to play "making up BS", that's obvious now 😄.
Hulk has hit intangible beings before. The fire that is generated from this match would damage MM.
Hulk doesn't need the gem. Why would he need the gem when Hulk powers already does everything the power gem does at a faster rate? Amping his strength...Hulk powers already does that at a higher rate. Increasing his durability...Hulk powers already does this at probably a faster rate. Hulk IS a power gem.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Without the gem, Superman by himself gets the majority. So does the Flash. So does the MMH. So does WW. Without the gem, against this team, it's a horrific sh** stomp of epic proportions. With the gem it's at least interesting. To think he beats this team without the gem is simply jaw-dropping.
To think these characters beat WBH one on one for the majority is jaw-dropping. Please let me know what make you come to this conclusion. Did you not read the resent arch with WBH. Cuz him not holding back sh*t stomps these characters individually. I can easily see why others think he can take out full teams as well.
Originally posted by bbrem123
To think these characters beat WBH one on one for the majority is jaw-dropping. Please let me know what make you come to this conclusion. Did you not read the resent arch with WBH. Cuz him not holding back sh*t stomps these characters individually. I can easily see why others think he can take out full teams as well.
Please tell me how WBH hits the Flash before the Flash vibrates his brain out of his skull. And please don't use the old "you know how many people have hit the Flash in comics" argument.
Superman has better strength and durability feats than WBH, and yes, that's an absolute fact. Punching through dimensions, surviving a blast equivalent to 50 supernovas while weakened, lifting infinite weight, slowing down eternity, lifting the Spectre, I could go on forever.
The MMH has so many ways to bring down the Hulk....I'm assuming you've read a few DC comics though, and that I don't need to explain them to you, but if you need me to, I will.
Wonder Woman could use the godwave, well, if you think WBH could withstand that, I feel sorry for you. But that's admittedly a very extreme example when it comes to her (but hey, like I said earlier, everyone here thinks as soon as the bell rings to start the fight, the Hulk raises his arms to do a thunderclap. of course that's never allowed for DC characters). But by herself with just her lasso she's beaten more powerful enemies than WBH. By a lot. her lasso can do some insane things, sadly most people are pretty ignorant of the character.
Now, that's just a few examples, but yet people think WBH is going to beat this WHOLE TEAM AT ONCE. When they are going to be mentally coordinated thanks to the MMH, they are going to have a MASSIVE speed advantage that's going to make this fight over before the Hulk could even raise his arms, especially if the Flash steals his speed immediately. (again, not common, but more common that Hulk opening with a Thunderclap in the FIRST SECOND of a fight).
And like I said, the lowballing of Hal's shields has been hilarious here. If he had them up and for some reason, the team hasn't speed blitzed the Hulk to oblivion, the Thunderclap would destroy the shield, but would stop it enough to save the team at least for one attack. Then they see what they're up against and take the initiative.