Hulks vs Juggernauts

^No he actually hasnt. As have explained before there is a huge difference between what Beta ray bill did and what WBH did. No matter how many times you falsely try to equate feats to WBH feats in order to downplay the strength gap here it wont work as your claims lack substance.

"On this level of strength power?" Such equivocation wont get you anywhere. The fact is that when discussing WBH we are talking about an entirely different level of strength and power than that of Thor, BRB, or even 8th day juggernaut. This is a hulk that is by any estimation thousand and thousands of times more powerful than any previous incarnation which puts him so far above the likes of Thor strengthwise its not even funny. It also makes him by far the strongest in this thread.

Originally posted by Naija boy
^No he actually hasnt. As have explained before there is a huge difference between what Beta ray bill did and what WBH did. No matter how many times you falsely try to equate feats to WBH feats in order to downplay the strength gap here it wont work as your claims lack substance.

Originally posted by Newjak
What were these differences again? Please tell me I don't think I've heard them.

Lol...are you implying that Thor is stronger than Savage Hulk? Are YOU REALLY SAYING THIS? Look at their fights. At one point, Savage Hulk beat the hell out of Thor in a physical fight.

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Thor physically got dominated by Hulk...overpowered...faced WRECKED and you are seriously trying to say Thor is physically on WWH level, let alone WBH level...two beings that far outweigh Savage Hulk in strength. Get out of here with your lowballing. WBH would one panel Thor a**.

Hulks stomp this.

Originally posted by Newjak
What were these differences again? Please tell me I don't think I've heard them.

Well for one Beta ray bill destroyed a (no name) planet/or what was far more likely a moon through a direct hit on the structure. He and stardust are flying toward the body in this huge conflagration of energy and literall ram it thereby causing it to explode.

Firstly there is the ambiguity over whether this is even a planet (which it does not even seem to by when considering the nature of their impact).

Then even putting that aside, Beta ray bill literally flying into and bashing the surface of a planet/moon in some huge energy conflagration is not the same as the mere shockwaves of the hulks punches in mid air ( hence he made no direct contact with the planet surface of the planet, he was hundreds of feats away) wiping out the dark dimension planet, damaging a nearby moon, wiping out an army of mindless ones, and several class 100 level characters who have shown to be able to hold their own with the likes of Hulk and Thor in the past. The fact that these characters were wiped out is significant because it indicates the jump in strength and gives us direct character comparisons. But the key difference is in the nature of the impacts in the two feats. Its similar to the difference between knocking out a person and knocking out a person while punching a completely different person a 100 feat away. The gap in levels of impressiveness is ridiculous as is the gap in strength required.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Well for one Beta ray bill destroyed a (no name) planet/or what was far more likely a moon through a direct hit on the structure. He and stardust are flying toward the body in this huge conflagration of energy and literall ram it thereby causing it to explode.

Firstly there is the ambiguity over whether this is even a planet (which it does not even seem to by when considering the nature of their impact).

Then even putting that aside, Beta ray bill literally flying into and bashing the surface of a planet/moon in some huge energy conflagration is not the same as the mere shockwaves of the hulks punches in mid air ( hence he made no direct contact with the planet surface of the planet, he was hundreds of feats away) wiping out the dark dimension planet, damaging a nearby moon, wiping out an army of mindless ones, and several class 100 level characters who have shown to be able to hold their own with the likes of Hulk and Thor in the past. The fact that these characters were wiped out is significant because it indicates the jump in strength and gives us direct character comparisons. But the key difference is in the nature of the impacts in the two feats. Its similar to the difference between knocking out a person and knocking out a person while punching a completely different person a 100 feat away. The gap in levels of impressiveness is ridiculous as is the gap in strength required.

Surfer has released enough power while attacking someone to blow up a nearby planet.

And I find it funny cause you make it sounds like Hulk was so far away, a few hundred feat is not that far from a planet.

And who were these characters? Bi-beast and who else? You know Thor tends to hold back a lot. Just look at his WTF feats which are as impressive as WBH. Look at the Midgard Serpent Feat to show how strong Thor can be.

Savage Hulk=Thor=Beta Ray Bill

They are all in the same tier. WBH is above them...especially looking at their fights against Savage Hulk. You ignoring this Newjack makes you look...

Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk=Thor=Beta Ray Bill

They are all in the same tier. WBH is above them...especially looking at their fights against Savage Hulk. You ignoring this Newjack makes you look...

Surfer was supposed to have this great upgrade during annhilation now and Thor was still going blow for blow with him.

How many times have we've seen this person go oh I a million times stronger now and the same people as before give him a run for his money.

The fact people out there have just as good of feats as the WBH feat.

I've named a couple, Thor - Midgard Serpent, Beta Ray Bill - Planet Busting, Silver Surfer - Casual Palnet Busting/Black Hole Creation.

I can name more

Superman - Maggedon, Hercules - Holding the Heavens.

So your only real foundation for saying WBH would be above FP Kuurth, who imo is equal to > then 8th Juggernaut, is that one feat is so amazing it obviously shows him being so much stronger than before yet I'm sure if you look through all of Savage Hulk's feat you'll find something equal or greater than it, and just because he supposedly has this upgrade which never really means jack in comics unless it is a significant amp which judging by feats it wasn't.

So I hate to tell you this Hulk is Hulk. Yeah WBH is the newest fad but feat wise it's not that great, impressive ..hell yes it was but nothing all the other characters I've listed couldn't do, and I don't think any of them would be able to scratch FP Kuurth based solely on the fact at the bare minimum he was classic juggs without any of his classic weaknesses. That alone makes this a spite. WBH isn't denting him, and he now has an Asgardian Hammer for firepower so I don't think putting him down will be that hard either since they are comparable in strength and always have been.

Juggernauts stomp

Hell, I broke a planet just 10 minutes ago.
What's the big damn deal?!

WBH is gay. Any "Juggernaut" for the win.

All of that Dark Dimension crapola is BS.

Treat it the same as any old "What If?" story.

Originally posted by Reacting2
Maestro Hulk(high showing)
WWH
WBH

vs

Classic Juggernaut
8th Day Juggernaut
FP Kuurth

Minus bfr, Either Juggernaut on team 2 can't lose here.

Originally posted by Newjak
Haha that actually isn't that special is what I keep trying to tell you.

Surfer has released enough power while attacking someone to blow up a nearby planet.

And I find it funny cause you make it sounds like Hulk was so far away, a few hundred feat is not that far from a planet.

And who were these characters? Bi-beast and who else? You know Thor tends to hold back a lot. Just look at his WTF feats which are as impressive as WBH. Look at the Midgard Serpent Feat to show how strong Thor can be.

facepalm. Is something wrong with you? The only thing laughable here is your absolute inability for logical argumentation. You keep throwing incomparable and now straight up irrelevant feats out there in the hopes to downplay WBH with each post more moronic than the last. Now after having you BRB example shot down you switch have desperately switched to Surfer.

The Surfer comparison is a nonsensical red herring. Surfer destroyed a planet and a moon in his fight with Morg, true, but utilized straight up energy blasts. It is thus lacks even tangential relevance to the debate in question and is incomparable when discussing matters having to do with physical strength as in this thread. Additionally even ignoring the all to obvious irrelvance of energy attacks when discussing physical strength, it is not even an analogous example. Surfer and morgs energies literally engulfed the planet they were on (in other words they made contact with it) and thus obliterated it. Right off the bat this diverges from Hulks feat in which the shockwaves from his physical impact were the cause of the destruction. While the fact that surfer and Morgs blast destroyed a nearby moon as well, is extremely impressive, and in that sense is similar in principle, it was still an energy blast attack and thus irrelevant concerning determinations of physical strength.

I spefifically mentioned hundreds of feet. In your irrational thinking process im not suprised you find sensible things funny. Stop informing us of your perceptions of hilarity and try developing sensible arguments. Being hundreds of feet in the air and being able to have such an impact makes the feat exponentially more impressive than simply ramming the surface. Seriously if i was able to punch a guy in mid air and knock out another fellow a hundreds of feet away as an after effect the difference in strength required from simply knocking the first guy out with a direct punch to the face are freaking ridiculous. Im talking sveral orders of magnitude.

Bi beast, Wendigo, Armcheddon,and Fing Fang Foom (amped). Thor cannot bust them to pieces as aftereffects punches no matter how much he stops holding back. lol to even bring up Thor holding back in some sort of comparison is inane and fanboyism to nth degree. Thor has absolutely no strength feats (since with you this needs to be specified) that are as impressive as WBHs feats. The midgard serpent feat also hugely, hugely pales in comparison. Furthermore, Thors average is certainly not at all at midgard serpent moving levels of strength and so even that is mrerely highballing (which still fails)

Your entire so called argument consists of several weakminded attempts to put forth red herrings and obviously false analogies in hopes that they will stick. Its nonsensical and they wont

lmao at this thread.

Originally posted by Naija boy
facepalm. Is something wrong with you? The only thing laughable here is your absolute inability for logical argumentation. You keep throwing incomparable and now straight up irrelevant feats out there in the hopes to downplay WBH with each post more moronic than the last. Now after having you BRB example shot down you switch have desperately switched to Surfer.

The Surfer comparison is a nonsensical red herring. Surfer destroyed a planet and a moon in his fight with Morg, true, but utilized straight up energy blasts. It is thus lacks even tangential relevance to the debate in question and is incomparable when discussing matters having to do with physical strength as in this thread. Additionally even ignoring the all to obvious irrelvance of energy attacks when discussing physical strength, it is not even an analogous example. Surfer and morgs energies literally engulfed the planet they were on (in other words they made contact with it) and thus obliterated it. Right off the bat this diverges from Hulks feat in which the shockwaves from his physical impact were the cause of the destruction. While the fact that surfer and Morgs blast destroyed a nearby moon as well, is extremely impressive, and in that sense is similar in principle, [B]it was still an energy blast attack and thus irrelevant concerning determinations of physical strength.

I spefifically mentioned hundreds of feet. In your irrational thinking process im not suprised you find sensible things funny. Stop informing us of your perceptions of hilarity and try developing sensible arguments. Being hundreds of feet in the air and being able to have such an impact makes the feat exponentially more impressive than simply ramming the surface. Seriously if i was able to punch a guy in mid air and knock out another fellow a hundreds of feet away as an after effect the difference in strength required from simply knocking the first guy out with a direct punch to the face are freaking ridiculous. Im talking sveral orders of magnitude.

Bi beast, Wendigo, Armcheddon,and Fing Fang Foom (amped). Thor cannot bust them to pieces as aftereffects punches no matter how much he stops holding back. lol to even bring up Thor holding back in some sort of comparison is inane and fanboyism to nth degree. Thor has absolutely no strength feats (since with you this needs to be specified) that are as impressive as WBHs feats. The midgard serpent feat also hugely, hugely pales in comparison. Furthermore, Thors average is certainly not at all at midgard serpent moving levels of strength and so even that is mrerely highballing (which still fails)

Your entire so called argument consists of several weakminded attempts to put forth red herrings and obviously false analogies in hopes that they will stick. Its nonsensical and they wont [/B]

As for rest whatever you wanna say man. It's all bullshit on your part. I could show a hundred examples of Thor's power output showing something similar and you still would just same that say crap again.

Originally posted by Newjak
Fact every character gets these upgrades but for some reason they always stay in the same tier.

Surfer was supposed to have this great upgrade during annhilation now and Thor was still going blow for blow with him.

How many times have we've seen this person go oh I a million times stronger now and the same people as before give him a run for his money.

The fact people out there have just as good of feats as the WBH feat.

I've named a couple, Thor - Midgard Serpent, Beta Ray Bill - Planet Busting, Silver Surfer - Casual Palnet Busting/Black Hole Creation.

I can name more

Superman - Maggedon, Hercules - Holding the Heavens.

So your only real foundation for saying WBH would be above FP Kuurth, who imo is equal to > then 8th Juggernaut, is that one feat is so amazing it obviously shows him being so much stronger than before yet I'm sure if you look through all of Savage Hulk's feat you'll find something equal or greater than it, and just because he supposedly has this upgrade which never really means jack in comics unless it is a significant amp which judging by feats it wasn't.

So I hate to tell you this Hulk is Hulk. Yeah WBH is the newest fad but feat wise it's not that great, impressive ..hell yes it was but nothing all the other characters I've listed couldn't do, and I don't think any of them would be able to scratch FP Kuurth based solely on the fact at the bare minimum he was classic juggs without any of his classic weaknesses. That alone makes this a spite. WBH isn't denting him, and he now has an Asgardian Hammer for firepower so I don't think putting him down will be that hard either since they are comparable in strength and always have been.

facepalm...just shut up. Your interpretation of feats is borderline retarded and clearly influenced by your fanboy inspiration to up the stock of Thor and juggernaut even in the midst of all reason. Whats worse is that you actually think you have raised useful points even though this idiocy is overtly transparent. All you have is what you feel and think as is basically you screaming i dont like it and attempting to recharacterize clear on panel fact to favour your biases. The characters you liisted didnt do what WBH did, and from their displayed feats CANT. You are actually attempting to make the claim that Wordbreaker hulk does not represent any significant gap in strength from regular hulk just so you can equate him with regular juggernaut and Thor. Such a display a self delusion is as annoying as it is pathetic.

While Savage hulk does infact have some WTF feats surpassiing even what WBH did, they are outliers that do not represent the characters consistent portrayal level which is what is used in forum battles. WBH however was constantly displayed at that level of power hence the reason he is even differentiated from other hulk incarnations in forum battle.He was far far stronger than the level the likes of Hulk,thor,juggernaut were consistently portrayed (for the latter two WBH is stronger than they have EVER been portrayed at) You do not get to present your revisionist version of on panel occurences which contradict clear authorial intention regarding character progression, just because it hurts your feelings....Not at all.

Yeesh. This thread turned into a train wreck.

Originally posted by Newjak
The point was to show that Hulk is not playing out in some imaginary league of power over the normal people in this tier.

As for rest whatever you wanna say man. It's all bullshit on your part. I could show a hundred examples of Thor's power output showing something similar and you still would just same that same crap again.

lol you are a buffoon. Instead of answering with reasoned counterarguments, you dodge the refutations of your pitiful attempts at making a point and then talk about Thors power output. Really in a discussion on strength u bring up...Thors power output which is a term used in reference to his energy projection...As i said:

facepalm...just shut up

Originally posted by Naija boy
facepalm...just shut up. Your interpretation of feats is borderline retarded and clearly influenced by your fanboy inspiration to uplay Thor and juggernaut even in the midst of all reason. Whats worse is that you actually think you have raised useful points even though this idiocy overtly transparent. All you have is what you feel and think as is basically you screaming i dont like it and attempting to recharacterize clear on panel fact to favour your biases. The characters you liisted didnt do what WBH did, and from their displayed feats CANT. You are actually attempting to make the claim that Wordbreaker hulk does not represent any significant gap in strength from regular hulk just so you can equate him with regular juggernaut and Thor. Such a display a self delusion is as annoying as it is pathetic.

While Savage hulk does infact have some WTF feats surpassiing even what WBH did, they are outliers that do not represent the characters consistent portrayal level which is what is used in forum battles. WBH however was constantly displayed at that level of power hence the reason he is even differentiated from other hulk incarnations in forum battle.He was far far stronger than the level the likes of Hulk,thor,juggernaut were consistently portrayed (for the latter two WBH is stronger than they have EVER been portrayed at) You do not get to present your revisionist version of on panel occurences which contradict clear authorial intention regarding character progression, just because it hurts your feelings....Not at all.

So you're colorful commentary is just lame.

The fact is give it 3 months a year WBH won't be anything special. He'll go up against someone he should supposedly stomp now and guess what he won't surprisingly enough. As for the rest I could give two shits about your opinion of my arguments.

Originally posted by Naija boy
lol you are a buffoon. Instead of answering with reasoned counterarguments, you dodge the refutations of your pitiful attempts at making a point and then talk about Thors power output. Really in a discussion on strength u bring up...Thors power output which is a term used in reference to his energy projection...As i said:

Anyways Thor's power output becomes significant because Juggernaut ahs already managed to take the brunt of Thor's godblast and other attacks and have been able tp push against. That means whatever Thor's output is becomes a direct comparison to the type of pushing strength Classic Juggs could do. Of course you wouldn't think about that would you.

So once again Cain's ability to push through and agaisnt Thor's power output becomes a direct test of his strength. That's actually a very logical statement no matter how much you want to claim it isn't.

But keep pretending your a logical genius.

Actually you can piss off.

Juggernauts win.

Two of the Juggernauts only need to walk towards each other while the third one places a Hulk in between the first two just when they are about to collide. SPLAT. Rinse, repeat, until there are no more Hulks left. The Juggernauts will be using their unstoppable momentum to achieve the aforementioned steps.