Originally posted by Newjak
Actually you didn't refute anything at least not as indepth as you would say.The whole point was to show that there is in fact not that big a gap difference in strength or [b]POWER
as you would like to pretend.
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I know what your whole point was but you didnt prove your whole point because you kept bringing up different examples which i shot down clearly pointing out the flaws in each of them, from the Silver Surfer example, to the Thor and BRB examples to the 8th day juggernaut example. I know what you intended to prove. The issue is you failed woefully at proving it. Equivocating between the terms strength and power so that you can bring in as many irrelevant examples as you like is not going to fly.
I also would like to make special note I also used feats such as Hercules holding up the Heavens, and Superman's maggedon feat to showcase that WBH is not playing in some ungodly out of reach power level. Which is is another reason why I brought up Silver Surfer. He can casually destroy a planet from attacking someone else he didn't do it with strength but he did do it with his power which shows once again WBH isn't that special.
The feats you hold on to are not feats that are even quantifiably comparable. The ones you tried to use i.e Bill and the midgard serpent feat which are directly relatable to Thor, I have debunked in this very thread. For Hercules holding up the heavens i.e him holding up the sky, it cant be quantified strength wise due to its metaphysical nature. Even superman moving the wheels of mageddon is ambiguous in terms of the actual amount of strength it took. These ones are ambiguous and save perhaps superman none of the characters you were even using have outlier strength feats that can be quantifiably compared in the first place. The thing is even if they did, those strength feats would represent extreme outliers and hence be inapplicable because here we use consistent portrayals. WBH is a specific incarnation of the Hulk that is defined by his permanent status at that level of strength. Even superman who is the only character you mentioned that can perhaps be compared when taking into account his highest feats is not consistently portrayed at anywhere close to that strength level. Thor, Beta Ray Bill and Juggernaut, dont even have high feats approaching that level of strength and by consistent portrayal are even further below that. Furthermore bringing up Silver surfer, is retarded because as I explained his energy literally engulfed the planet which makes it fundamentally different from hulks feat due to the different impacts as well as different attack methods. It doesnt show that WBH isnt that special because its not even tangentially relevant to WBHs feat. You are grasping at such straws and throwing in red herrings all over the place in order to maintain your preconceived notion of equality between Hulk Thor Juggernaut and these other characters strengthwise while blatantly ignoring the fact that WBH was a clear elevation from that level of strength.
I've already pointed out Classic Juggeranut was overpowering and pushing WWH backwards. Which shows Hulk's strength isn't going to overwhelm him.
Classic juggernaut pushing WWH back, has no relevance to WBH, a character that is undisputably far superior to WWH. Your attempt to equate the two characters power levels when they were explicitly differentiated on panel by Hulk himself (when he made it clear that he had been holding back the whole time) is criminal fanboy revisionism and horrendous disregard for the authorial intention behind the character. It is really downright embarassing. Once again I dare you do a battlezone with me on this...because I will absolutely tear your nonsensical fanboy postulations to shreds.
WBH's feats are not anything special when you compare to what other people can do strength or power wise. Kuurth is more powerful then Classic Juggernaut, who proved to be a match for WWH. 8th Day is more powerful then Classic Juggernaut.
You state the points and provide no support for them and yet try to characterize it as some form of argument. Go learn how to reason you dunce. This quote above is farcical. You easily grant that Kuurth and 8th day juggernaut are more powerful than classic juggernaut (direct character comparison) but then contend that WBH feats are nothing special and despite being clearly indicated as more powerful than WWH (another direct character comparison), decide to place him at that same level of power. Yet Kuurth and 8th day juggernauts feats pale in comparison to WBHs but you ignore that because in their case, a direct character comparison suits you. Get this self serving hypocrisy out of here.
So as stated before WBH is not playing in some ungodly realm of strength or power we have not seen before. The only reason you guys keep giving him a nod is based on some notion that just because he went all green and glowy that he somehow jumped in exponentially greater power levels then what he was before. While I do agree he did jump up in power how much is purely speculative, and your so called amazing feat once again is not that impressive at this level of power especially considering he was only half of that feat or did you forget someone else was also supplying power to that feat.
Stating it till you are blue in the face will not validate it or make it any less moronic. The jump in power while not exactly determinable, has a range that can be reasonably inferred by any body with a lick of sense. Even supplying half of the power for that sort of feat is way above the stuff you have mentioned. You have not been able to show in any way shape or form how the feat is not that impressive but have instead referenced the feats of other characters ad nauseam; feats which firstly are incomparable to what WBH achieved, and secondly represent outliers in their history as opposed to consistent portrayal and thus become invalid when making determinations pertaining to consistent strength levels. Throw in some self serving hypocrisy and a few red herrings and you have a cogent argument in your bizarro world.facepalm
The question you need to ask yourself is this if two Superman, or Two Thors, or Silver surfer's, or two Hercules, or two Beta Ray Bills did the same thing would outcome still be the same for the Dark Dimension.. Yeah based on feats for most of the characters I would argue yes they could do it. So you can't really prove that WBH has such a higher strength max then WWH at least not through feats. Instead what you guys are really relying on is a pure speculative notion that he just simply had to be so much more powerful which in and of itself is stupid.
If two hercules, two thors, silver surfers, superman, or even two WWH level beings did that based on their consistent strength levels the outcome would not even be close to the same. This is extremely significant as that is what we go by. Heck for almost all of those characters even their highest outlier feats pale in comparison. Claiming that WBH doesnt have a higher max level of strength than WWH is a profilable level of idiocy and really underscores your inability to interpret on panel depictions. As i said before, atrocious. Simply Atrocious.
To make it clear once again just in case you missed it the first time:
I dare you do a battlezone with me on this...because I will absolutely tear your nonsensical fanboy postulations to shreds.
hmm...maybe i should go make the thread 🙂
