Originally posted by Mistress-DeathLol And That's It...I Say Nothing Else Than That Since Carver Has That Job Of Debating For Hulk I Just Say Who Wins,My Username?? Fine I If I Put My Username 'UAreGay' I Guess Everyone I Talk To Is Gay Eh???
You give the Hulk the win in every thread and your username is the Hulk lol that says it all.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Good luck trying to BFR Kuurth...
True Bfring Kuurth in particular would be the problem in this fight but he can be tackled last in a more comfortable 3 on 1 situation and the combined efforts of the three hulks including WBH will be able to put him down imo. When one takes an actual objective look at juggernauts feats and battles, it becomes clear that his absolute invincibility and invulnerability, cannot at all be substantiated by on panel fact. Furthermore, the key here is that there hasnt even been one credible argument put forward regarding the issue of the strength gap. Horrible examples have been brought up to downplay WBH strength level with him even being compared to Thor, regular juggernaut,....and even a truly woeful attempt to downplay him by referencing silver surfers energy output (talk about moronic). The whole thing has been atrocious. I refuted all of these nonsensical claims pretty indepthly (really some are so daft they are self defeating), and then I was faced with "I dont like it so im gonna ignore it" type responses that had no counter to the refutations and openly ignored them but yet still went ahead to repeat the same thing adnauseam.
I know Hulk gets a bad rap sometimes because of the extreme "skyfather skyfather!" claims of the likes of carver and such but really its no better when we have a bunch of self acclaimed juggxperts patting themselves on the back, without being able to put forward a single refutation concerning the strength gap, between the lot of them lol. Honestly I have a bit of time open to me so i freaking dare any or ALL of the pro juggernaut/anti-hulk crowd to battlezone me on the strength levels of WBH and any of the juggernaut incarnations in this thread. lol i dont normally get involved in these but the attempt to utilize group wide idiocy in order to hide lack of substance is alarming. 😬
Originally posted by Naija boyYou Sound Like A British Man........
True Bfring Kuurth in particular would be the problem in this fight but he can be tackled last in a more comfortable 3 on 1 situation and the combined efforts of the three hulks including WBH will be able to put him down imo. When one takes an actual objective look at juggernauts feats and battles, it becomes clear that his absolute invincibility and invulnerability, cannot at all be substantiated by on panel fact. Furthermore, the key here is that there hasnt even been one credible argument put forward regarding the issue of the strength gap. Horrible examples have been brought up to downplay WBH strength level with him even being compared to Thor, regular juggernaut,....and even a truly woeful attempt to downplay him by referencing silver surfers energy output (talk about moronic). The whole thing has been atrocious. I refuted all of these nonsensical claims pretty indepthly (really some are so daft they are self defeating), and then I was faced with "I dont like it so im gonna ignore it" type responses that had no counter to the refutations and openly ignored them but yet still went ahead to repeat the same thing adnauseam.I know Hulk gets a bad rap sometimes because of the extreme "skyfather skyfather!" claims of the likes of carver and such but really its no better when we have a bunch of self acclaimed juggxperts patting themselves on the back, without being able to put forward a single refutation concerning the strength gap, between the lot of them lol. Honestly I have a bit of time open to me so i freaking dare any or ALL of the pro juggernaut/anti-hulk crowd to battlezone me on the strength levels of WBH and any of the juggernaut incarnations in this thread. lol i dont normally get involved in these but the attempt to utilize group wide idiocy in order to hide lack of substance is alarming. 😬
Originally posted by Naija boyActually you didn't refute anything at least not as indepth as you would say.
True Bfring Kuurth in particular would be the problem in this fight but he can be tackled last in a more comfortable 3 on 1 situation and the combined efforts of the three hulks including WBH will be able to put him down imo. When one takes an actual objective look at juggernauts feats and battles, it becomes clear that his absolute invincibility and invulnerability, cannot at all be substantiated by on panel fact. Furthermore, the key here is that there hasnt even been one credible argument put forward regarding the issue of the strength gap. Horrible examples have been brought up to downplay WBH strength level with him even being compared to Thor, regular juggernaut,....and even a truly woeful attempt to downplay him by referencing silver surfers energy output (talk about moronic). The whole thing has been atrocious. I refuted all of these nonsensical claims pretty indepthly (really some are so daft they are self defeating), and then I was faced with "I dont like it so im gonna ignore it" type responses that had no counter to the refutations and openly ignored them but yet still went ahead to repeat the same thing adnauseam.I know Hulk gets a bad rap sometimes because of the extreme "skyfather skyfather!" claims of the likes of carver and such but really its no better when we have a bunch of self acclaimed juggxperts patting themselves on the back, without being able to put forward a single refutation concerning the strength gap, between the lot of them lol. Honestly I have a bit of time open to me so i freaking dare any or ALL of the pro juggernaut/anti-hulk crowd to battlezone me on the strength levels of WBH and any of the juggernaut incarnations in this thread. lol i dont normally get involved in these but the attempt to utilize group wide idiocy in order to hide lack of substance is alarming. 😬
The whole point was to show that there is in fact not that big a gap difference in strength or POWER as you would like to pretend.
I also would like to make special note I also used feats such as Hercules holding up the Heavens, and Superman's maggedon feat to showcase that WBH is not playing in some ungodly out of reach power level. Which is is another reason why I brought up Silver Surfer. He can casually destroy a planet from attacking someone else he didn't do it with strength but he did do it with his power which shows once again WBH isn't that special.
Some was to prove strength some power level if you can't understand the difference or the intention so be it.
I've already pointed out Classic Juggeranut was overpowering and pushing WWH backwards. Which shows Hulk's strength isn't going to overwhelm him.
So these are the points:
WBH's feats are not anything special when you compare to what other people can do strength or power wise.
Kuurth is more powerful then Classic Juggernaut, who proved to be a match for WWH.
8th Day is more powerful then Classic Juggernaut.
So as stated before WBH is not playing in some ungodly realm of strength or power we have not seen before. The only reason you guys keep giving him a nod is based on some notion that just because he went all green and glowy that he somehow jumped in exponentially greater power levels then what he was before.
While I do agree he did jump up in power how much is purely speculative, and your so called amazing feat once again is not that impressive at this level of power especially considering he was only half of that feat or did you forget someone else was also supplying power to that feat.
The question you need to ask yourself is this if two Superman, or Two Thors, or Silver surfer's, or two Hercules, or two Beta Ray Bills did the same thing would outcome still be the same for the Dark Dimension.. Yeah based on feats for most of the characters I would argue yes they could do it.
So you can't really prove that WBH has such a higher strength max then WWH at least not through feats. Instead what you guys are really relying on is a pure speculative notion that he just simply had to be so much more powerful which in and of itself is stupid.
Originally posted by carver9
Two different Hulks have already stopped the Juggernaut forward momentum. Not going to work here.
That is a lie. WWH was pushed back by Juggernaut, and had to admit Juggs was unstoppable. Actually, that he was pushed back shows that Juggs is actually physically stronger than WWH. His unstoppable momentum only applies to situations where he is already moving, whereas in that fight they were locking hands while standing still at start. He had to gain some starting momentum by overcoming WWH's physical strength. War Hulk didn't stop Juggs either, a Celestial tentacle/aura did. Unfortunately for Team Hulk, they don't have access to Celestial tentacles in this fight.
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually you didn't refute anything at least not as indepth as you would say.The whole point was to show that there is in fact not that big a gap difference in strength or [b]POWER
as you would like to pretend.I also would like to make special note I also used feats such as Hercules holding up the Heavens, and Superman's maggedon feat to showcase that WBH is not playing in some ungodly out of reach power level. Which is is another reason why I brought up Silver Surfer. He can casually destroy a planet from attacking someone else he didn't do it with strength but he did do it with his power which shows once again WBH isn't that special.
Some was to prove strength some power level if you can't understand the difference or the intention so be it.
I've already pointed out Classic Juggeranut was overpowering and pushing WWH backwards. Which shows Hulk's strength isn't going to overwhelm him.
So these are the points:
WBH's feats are not anything special when you compare to what other people can do strength or power wise.
Kuurth is more powerful then Classic Juggernaut, who proved to be a match for WWH.
8th Day is more powerful then Classic Juggernaut.
So as stated before WBH is not playing in some ungodly realm of strength or power we have not seen before. The only reason you guys keep giving him a nod is based on some notion that just because he went all green and glowy that he somehow jumped in exponentially greater power levels then what he was before.
While I do agree he did jump up in power how much is purely speculative, and your so called amazing feat once again is not that impressive at this level of power especially considering he was only half of that feat or did you forget someone else was also supplying power to that feat.
The question you need to ask yourself is this if two Superman, or Two Thors, or Silver surfer's, or two Hercules, or two Beta Ray Bills did the same thing would outcome still be the same for the Dark Dimension.. Yeah based on feats for most of the characters I would argue yes they could do it.
So you can't really prove that WBH has such a higher strength max then WWH at least not through feats. Instead what you guys are really relying on is a pure speculative notion that he just simply had to be so much more powerful which in and of itself is stupid. [/B]
Newjack...lol, you are terrible at this. Each one of those Heralds has been out in the same situation as Hulk and nothing happened to the planet. Superman went all.out against Black Adam, Wonder Woman, Doomsday and didn't cause a dent in the planet. Thor went all out against Serpent, Herc in a fist fight, Savage Hulk, Maestro, he was even amped when he faced Thanos and none of that happened. Hulk and Betty was fist fighting and the shock wave from their punches was melting everyone in the vicinity.
Bill also went all out against a Tanaraq empowered wrecking crew, Asteroth and nothing of the sort even came close to happening...you bringing up high end fts for Heralds...What don't you understand? Weaker incarnations of Hulks has done similar fts. I'm literally shaking my head at you...literally.