Silver Age Mangog vs PC Darkseid

Originally posted by Horrificus
Right. Anti-Force. Sorry.

But, that still didn't knock him out. Check this scan:

1. The top 2 left panels show Mangog stunned and moving.

2. Bottom right panel shows when he hit the ground after the fall and that's it.

3. Anti-Force down the throat did not knock him out. Getting smacked with the hammer and falling off a cliff isn't going to knock him out either. And, the showed nothing else after he hit the ground.
BFR.

But, even if you don't buy the BFR, that's ok. Either way, it is still his ONLY combat loss.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Entire LOSH blasting at darkseid didn't make him even budge

The famous Mon-El bitchslap like an insect

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid shrugs off suckerpunches from superboy and supergirl

Originally posted by Galan007
That's GDS Darkseid, though. Are we using him in this thread?

Still GDS Darkseid, but it's worth mentioning that the duo were amped by Highfather at the time. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was said to be a mere shadow of his powers and at that basis do we disregard any legion feat of PC superboy or PC supergirl? This was all canon to PC darkseid, DC multiverse doesn't work like MU multiverse where any future reality is considered a separate reality to 616. Legion future is the direct future of DC main reality before or after the crisis.

I only asked because typically GDS Darkseid is used as a different version all together--namely because of the exotic powers he absorbed to attain his power, as well as the legendary TP he used during that arc (he's never used TP anywhere near that degree since.)

But if he's free game, then cool. I certainly don't have a problem with your line of reasoning as to why he *should* be useable. 🙂

Question to the OP. How is he supposed to send him back to his universe if BFR is off?

Originally posted by Galan007
You don't have to get defensive, and/or give me a lesson in DC cosmology. I know full well that the LoSH future is still tied to mainstream DC--that's why it was affected by the events of COIE.

I only asked because typically GDS Darkseid is used as a different version all together--namely because of the exotic powers he absorbed to attain his power, as well as the legendary TP he used during that arc (he's never used TP anywhere near that degree since.)

But if he's free game, then cool. I certainly don't have a problem with your line of reasoning as to why he *should* be useable. 🙂

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Darkseid created Validus who was a stronger brick than Mangog

That's debatable, SA Mangog =PC Validus in base strength, but Mangog becomes stronger when he feeds on hate and physical contact.

Originally posted by the Darkone
That's debatable, SA Mangog =PC Validus in base strength, but Mangog becomes stronger when he feeds on hate and physical contact.

^ On top of what you mentioned, Validus was taking on Sun Eaters and coming out on top. He was more powerful than any 'brick' I can think of, with the exception of pre-crisis Omega--and Darkseid created him with a wave of his hand.

Not really surprising, though. Darkseid has a history of creating uber beings from scratch--Stayne and Brimstone are other examples.

Originally posted by Juntai
Looks like he's curled up in the same position in both panels to me.

2. Also, Thor is talking to him the whole time.

3. Finally, r u saying that Thor struck an opponent that was already knocked out?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based on? When mangog can ignore someone like Mon-EL punching him with everything he has and superboy getting ktfo by just ramming into him, call me.

SA Mangog has NEVER been beaten in combat. Nor was he ever even harmed. In any way.

Are you saying that Mon-El could go through Asgard, from the outermost borders, all the way to the throne of Odin, without so much as a scratch?

Because, that is what Mangog did. Hell, he has just, pretty much, wandered around in Asgard, while Odin constantly talked about how unbeatable he was, and helpless to fight Mangog off.

Over and over, he knocked out Thor at the very beginning of their battles.

He knocked Odin out with one blow.

That's Odin.

To simply de-power Mangog, Odin had to amp himself with a very powerful artifact, and then, just de-powering Mangog, killed Odin.

He has other powers as well, but does not usually use them, preferring to tear his opponents apart physically.

"Mon-El", "Shmo-Mel". 😆

Originally posted by Horrificus
1. First of all, you can see Mangog's arm reaching and he has taken a step.

2. Also, Thor is talking to him the whole time.

3. Finally, r u saying that Thor struck an opponent that was already knocked out?

Originally posted by Horrificus
SA Mangog shrugged off blows from Thor and Odin.

SA Mangog has NEVER been beaten in combat. Nor was he ever even harmed. In any way.

Are you saying that Mon-El could go through Asgard, from the outermost borders, all the way to the throne of Odin, without so much as a scratch?

Because, that is what Mangog did. Hell, he has just, pretty much, wandered around in Asgard, while Odin constantly talked about how unbeatable he was, and helpless to fight Mangog off.

Over and over, he knocked out Thor at the very beginning of their battles.

He knocked Odin out with one blow.

That's Odin.

To simply de-power Mangog, Odin had to amp himself with a very powerful artifact, and then, just de-powering Mangog, killed Odin.

He has other powers as well, but does not usually use them, preferring to tear his opponents apart physically.

"Mon-El", "Shmo-Mel". 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
1. Nope, he is in the same position.
2. Lulz, was mangog talking back?
3. Its thor, who know what he wants to do? He's an ass.
So let me get this straight, even though narration says that "one of them is fallen", we're supposed to believe that mangog was only stunned by an extremely ambiguous panel where he supposedly moves his arm and thor talking shit to him. Not convincing anybody by that. What happened to your quest of finding darkseid's losses?

In Panel #2, Whoa! There goes Thor after Mangog! There is more distance between the 2 of them. Oh! There is Mangog, head up now, he has taken a step and there is his arm stretched out ahead of him. Clearly in a different position from Panel #1.

Not that it really matters. But, I'm right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did mangog shrug off odin's attack? Koing a weakened odin you mean. Characters talk is just that, when time came odin dispersed mangog with just a spell. Mon has killed time-trapper albeit weakened by his bare hands, an abstract entity. You don't know much about PC characters, do you? Mon was stronger than superboy who could drag a galaxy worth of planets on a chain from one end of universe to another. Classic thor is not even as strong as post crisis superman much less pc superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did mangog shrug off odin's attack? Koing a weakened odin you mean. Characters talk is just that, when time came odin dispersed mangog with just a spell. Mon has killed time-trapper albeit weakened by his bare hands, an abstract entity. You don't know much about PC characters, do you? Mon was stronger than superboy who could drag a galaxy worth of planets on a chain from one end of universe to another. Classic thor is not even as strong as post crisis superman much less pc superman.

And, NO, you can't just decide that everything the characters and writers stated through 3 full story-lines is BS, just because it hurts your argument.

Odin gets knocked out.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, in Panel #1, we have Thor and Mangog right next to each other and Thor is stationary. Mangog is on all 4's.

In Panel #2, Whoa! There goes Thor after Mangog! There is more distance between the 2 of them. Oh! There is Mangog, head up now, he has taken a step and there is his arm stretched out ahead of him. Clearly in a different position from Panel #1.

Not that it really matters. But, I'm right.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Wasn't it 13 planets?

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/876/superboytowplanets1ur4.jpg

This happened when the same superboy rammed full force in validus

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5660/10ts6.jpg

Originally posted by Horrificus
Here is Mangog shrugging off Odin's blows. Then, man-handling Odin. The next page has Mangog knocking Odin out.
And, it is not when he is weak from transferring Asgard.

And, NO, you can't just decide that everything the characters and writers stated through 3 full story-lines is BS, just because it hurts your argument.

Odin gets knocked out.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Wasn't it 13 planets?

It should be noted that in the background of that scan you can see the trail of planets as a small line continuing back, meaning it was way more than just the few in the foreground