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Hey JT not seen you around these boards in a while.
As for the fight have to go with Savage. He just seems to have achieved a Raw Power in the Force that Maul has not.
And as of the last episode, Maul was having trouble picking up a lightsaber with his TK, so he's not even in tip top shape.
A pure Saber duel however would be interesting. Savage's strength vs Maul's acrobatics and deadly kicks.
I've not seen any version of Maul so far who can push a starship of a cliff, or send 2 Jedi flying around with the Force or Force wave 3 destroyer droids plus several battle droids and 2 Jedi to the floor(Force rage or not).
Until we see anything from Maul in that league with the Force Im giving the Force fight and the All out to Savage.
But like I said a Saber fight would be interesting. Though I doubt Maul could disarm Obi-Wan or Ventress as quickly as Savage did.
Originally posted by ares834
lol wut? "Power above any Jedi".... lulz
Originally posted by ares834
I'm not saying that the Nightsisters' magic didn't amp him but to say he has more power than Mace or Yoda is laughable.And if you're talking about raw power than Anakin has more by aces.
Obviously he wouldn't beat Yoda and Windu. But if we talk about Force power specifically, Windu at least in films didn't show anything amazing.
Same for Yoda. While Palpatine was throwing multiple platforms and laughing, Yoda had to heavily concentrate to throw single one. In CW he had to put a lot of effort to stop pillar falling on Kenobi and Any. While Oppress needed couple of seconds to push a starship.
Anger of Oppress was boosting his power a lot. For example, that Force wave that knocked over everyone around, I don't know any Jedi that was able to do such thing without anger.
Like, when Anakin woke up with his new Armor at the end of RotS. His anger was so strong that metal structures around were bending and he wasn't even concentrating to specifically bend them. That's kind of power I am talking about that even most powerful Jedi like Yoda couldn't do as they don't use anger or any other sources of power that Sith do.
Originally posted by Arhael
[B]Obviously he wouldn't beat Yoda and Windu. But if we talk about Force power specifically, Windu at least in films didn't show anything amazing.
Lucky this is the EU forum... Heck, in the CW he is shown easily pushing an AT-TE off a cliff.
Same for Yoda. While Palpatine was throwing multiple platforms and laughing, Yoda had to heavily concentrate to throw single one. In CW he had to put a lot of effort to stop pillar falling on Kenobi and Any. While Oppress needed couple of seconds to push a starship.
Nice lowballing... Regardless Yoda has, like Windu, displayed far more power in the EU. He has been shown wiping out entire legions of droids or pwning Ventress with a wave of his hand. But I think a fair and easier point would be to analyze how Yoda and Savage were able to handle Dooku's lightning...
That's kind of power I am talking about that even most powerful Jedi like Yoda couldn't do as they don't use anger or any other sources of power that Sith do.
So you're talking about dark side power... But if not then, yes, Yoda would certianly be able to do what Vader did at the end of RotS.
Originally posted by ares834
Lucky this is the EU forum... Heck, in the CW he is shown easily pushing an AT-TE off a cliff.Nice lowballing... Regardless Yoda has, like Windu, displayed far more power in the EU. He has been shown wiping out entire legions of droids or pwning Ventress with a wave of his hand. But I think a fair and easier point would be to analyze how Yoda and Savage were able to handle Dooku's lightning...
So you're talking about dark side power... But if not then, yes, Yoda would certianly be able to do what Vader did at the end of RotS.
By the way about Force lightning. Yoda was sent unconscious after first voley from Palpatine or was it faking?
And we are, yet, to see what Oppress is going to be like after proper training. Force choking Dooku and Ventress is quite not bad for amateur.
Originally posted by Arhael
By the way about Force lightning. Yoda was sent unconscious after first voley from Palpatine or was it faking?
Yeah, he was knocked out but Palpatine's lightning is far more intense than Dooku's.
And we are, yet, to see what Oppress is going to be like after proper training. Force choking Dooku and Ventress is quite not bad for amateur.
No it's not. But "after proper training" seems as if if you are indicating raw power...
Ares Im sure Mace would defeat Savage due to far superior combat skills(for now), but in terms of raw power and strength do you really think pushing an AT-TE off a cliff compares to the crap we've seen Savage do??
As for this thread, I think it's clear Maul will be the brains and Savage the muscle of this duo.
xD "hehe" ... Yeah, Savage is more powerful then all jedi except Yoda, and all Sith except Sidious. Mace and Dooku are like a children when it comes to fight him (of course we all know that Ventress is more powerful then Dooku, coz she can force choke Obi and Ani at the same time, and Dooku can do it only to one of them). Yeah...
Ok, anyway: Maul is probably still more powerful then Savage (according to Talzin words).
-I was not strong enough to defeat them all
-(...) You will be
-(...) Who will teach me?
-You have a brother
-A btoher? (...)
-You will find him. He will teach you everything you need to learn to become even more powerful.
On the other hand Savage (thanks by witches magic) has a far greater strenght. Maul is probably still faster (event with mechanical legs), so i bet Maul as a winner.
Ah, and something About Savage - Dooku.
Dooku is still a far more powerful in the force. Yeah, he force choked both Dooku and Ventress. But they both considered him to be defeated (i had some trouble with this sentence, i've hope that you can understand what i mean). He can choked them only by surprise (the same situation was in Asajj vs Ani and Obi case). Now go and look Savage and Ventress vs Dooku, and then Dooku vs Ventress once again. People like Dooku, and even Mace are far above then people like Ventress, Savage, Kenobi etc.
Originally posted by ZettOk, anyway: Maul is probably still more powerful then Savage (according to Talzin words).
-I was not strong enough to defeat them all
-(...) You will be
-(...) Who will teach me?
-You have a brother
-A btoher? (...)
-You will find him. He will teach you everything you need to learn to become even more powerful.
That just means he's more knowledgeable and more skilled at using the force. So Savage can learn from him. Doesn't mean he'd beat him in a fight.
Dooku vs Anakin would be a relevant example.
Originally posted by Zett
On the other hand Savage (thanks by witches magic) has a far greater strenght. Maul is probably still faster (event with mechanical legs), so i bet Maul as a winner.
There may be an argument for a pure saber fight. However considering how quickly Savage beat down Obi-Wan, and how long it was taking for Maul to just be "beating" him, I think I'd still put my money on Savage.
Originally posted by Zett
Ah, and something About Savage - Dooku.Dooku is still a far more powerful in the force. Yeah, he force choked both Dooku and Ventress. But they both considered him to be defeated (i had some trouble with this sentence, i've hope that you can understand what i mean). He can choked them only by surprise (the same situation was in Asajj vs Ani and Obi case).
I don't know about this. Asajj was beating Anakin and Obi-Wan for what? 3 seconds?? And only because they chose not to kill her thereby giving her an oppurtunity for a force attack.
Whilst Savage went on to Throw Ventress and Dooku after that Choke (they couldn't still be surprised), then throw Obi-Wan and Anakin. Then drive them both back in Sabers, then Force wave 3 destroyer droids, a load of battle droids+other droids and Anakin and Obi-Wan all on to their rears.
Also I wouldn't just neglect Ventress's force choke over tose 2. She probably does have better Force TK than either of them.
Originally posted by Zett
Now go and look Savage and Ventress vs Dooku, and then Dooku vs Ventress once again. People like Dooku, and even Mace are far above then people like Ventress, Savage, Kenobi etc.
When Dooku took on both Ventress and Savage, that was before Savage's boost. And still he was able to put Dooku on the floor at one point. Also IIRC it was only Dooku's Force Lightning that kept Savage at bay.
Also Savage is also clearly in a different league to both Ventress and Obi-Wan. They even admitted to being outmatched by the Maul brothers.
And I have one question for you. If Dooku is so much more powerful than Savage, then why is Dooku so worried about him?? I don't see Dooku stressing out over Ventress or Obi-Wan.
Edit- By the way Im not saying Savage as of the present moment would beat Dooku in a Force fight. He still has a lot of control to learn. BUT he has shown the raw power at his disposal, and is on a quest to learn how to control and apply that power properly. A quest which has Dooku worried. Very worried.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
When Dooku took on both Ventress and Savage, that was before Savage's boost. And still he was able to put Dooku on the floor at one point. Also IIRC it was only Dooku's Force Lightning that kept Savage at bay. [/B]
It was after boost. He fights Ventress (along with his brother, i cant remember his name) before Savage's boost. When he join to the witchest he gets boosted, and then he becomes Dooku's apprentice.
Man, sorry if write stupid things in this post, but i'm a little drunk.
Originally posted by Zett
It was after boost. He fights Ventress (along with his brother, i cant remember his name) before Savage's boost. When he join to the witchest he gets boosted, and then he becomes Dooku's apprentice.Man, sorry if write stupid things in this post, but i'm a little drunk.
Took me a while to work out what you were saying but I think I have it now lol.
Right you mean the boost the witches gave him. I was talking about the boost he achieved himself through his rage. When he started choking Ventress and Dooku.