After going through the initial WBH vs Thor slug fest thread. Id like to switch out PR for another judge. No offence PR as i think you are more than capable but i noticed that you seemed to already agree with some of what Newjak stated in that thread (possibly due to Carver the anti-hulk but still) which sort of spawned this whole debate. I already have my first post typed up but i want to clear up the judging issue before posting it.
Originally posted by Newjak
If we went through all the WBH vs Someone fist fight threads what do you think the odds are that we'll find posts from all the judges that would lean to one side or the other in our debate?
I actually agree with this. You aren't going to find someone here who doesn't already have an opinion on this one way or the other. If your argument is clear and strong enough, you should have no problem convincing someone the opposite of what they currently believe... Unless Naija is saying that Pr is biased. But I don't think that's what he's trying to say.
On second thought no worries. I was iniitially tentative because i looked over it and Pr was present within the thread that sparked the entire debate in which Carver was advocating pro hulk positions and unfortunately doing more harm than good to the overall argument (no offense Carver 😄 ) with Pr even having to correct him on some issues. Hence for a sec i thought Carver mightve permanently tainted his view of the issues in question (which often happens where good ol carver is involved) However Pr is one of the more fair and balanced posters around here and so ill trust his objectivity in approaching the discussion.
Originally posted by Naija boySounds good
On second thought no worries. I was iniitially tentative because i looked over it and Pr was present within the thread that sparked the entire debate in which Carver was advocating pro hulk positions and unfortunately doing more harm than good to the overall argument (no offense Carver 😄 ) with Pr even having to correct him on some issues. Hence for a sec i thought Carver mightve permanently tainted his view of the issues in question (which often happens where good ol carver is involved) However Pr is one of the more fair and balanced posters around here and so ill trust his objectivity in approaching the discussion.
So with that out of the question the only thing I want to verify for certain is how much stronger is Naji trying to state WBH is stronger than Savage Hulk. We'll use that as the base line.
Originally posted by Naija boyDoes it matter?
Ok im about to put up my first posts but i want to calrify Newjak if you are going to be making a positive case for anything or if you are merely going to be trying to counter my arguments?
The point is for you to prove WBH is what 10 times stronger than any other version of Hulk, while I'm trying to prove that isn't true.
From that point on it doesn't matter how I argue, unless I'm missing something.
Im asking this because if we get the same number of posts, and I have to take a certain amount of posts establishing my argument (which i assure u is very comprehensive), then u get to simply try to rebut them with all your posts then it is uneven. I would have less posts available for actually engaging you in crossfire debate since i would have to use some of them to establish the argument and present evidence in the first place
Originally posted by Naija boyYou're first post should cover that fairly well I would think. As for how I go about this debate is up to me, whether I want to prove a positive or not or just try and debunk any argument you have.
Im asking this because if we get the same number of posts, and I have to take a certain amount of posts establishing my argument (which i assure u is very comprehensive), then u get to simply try to rebut them with all your posts then it is uneven. I would have less posts available for actually engaging you in crossfire debate since i would have to use some of them to establish the argument and present evidence in the first place
^No, the case goes beyond my first post which is the issue. As i said, it is very comprehensive. Since im having to both establish my case to the judges and then go into the debate defending it from any of your attempted refutations it is uneven if i have the same amount of posts since i have much more to do in the same space
Originally posted by Naija boyThe case is simply what we both agree to be the stipulations of the match.
^No, the case goes beyond my first post which is the issue. As i said, it is very comprehensive. Since im having to both establish my case to the judges and then go into the debate defending it from any of your attempted refutations it is uneven if i have the same amount of posts since i have much more to do.
Is WBH more than 10 times stronger than any other incarnation of Hulk.
We each get 12 posts to to show either for or against. What I do with my posts in determining that doesn't matter to you. You're still going to try and prove the samething regardless.
^^ *Sigh* Newjack ur just not getting it. The issue is that in battlezones/versus matches individuals usually prove positive cases on both sides hence they prove their case in favour of whatever character they are supporting and refute their opponents case within the same space. The issue here, is that I am going to first have to establish a positive case for WBH, which you are probably just going to try and refute with all of your 12 posts. I on the other hand will have less posts to counter these refutations since i would already take up space trying to establish my assertion in the first place. A burden which you do not have. which is why having the same amount of posts is uneven.
Originally posted by carver9How am I dodging. I don't know exactly what Naji wants here.
You're dodging Newjack.
We have the stipulations we have the post count.
What we do with them is our own.
Does he want to know what I'm going to prove?... That's already been stated.
Does he want me tell him the arguments I'm going to use to prove that?.. That isn't happening, why would I give him that it doesn't make sense...
Originally posted by Naija boyI get it, it's just weird and doesn't add up.
^ *Sigh* Not getting it. The issue is that in battlezones/versus matches individuals usually prove positive cases on both sides hence they prove their case in favour of whatever character they are supporting and refute their opponents case within the same space. The issue here, is that I am going to first have to establish a positive case for WBH, which you are probably just going to try and refute with all of your 12 posts. I on the other hand will have less posts to counter these refutations since i would already take up space trying to establish my assertion in the first place. A burden which you do not have. which is why having the same amount of posts is uneven
What do you want an extra post?
What exactly would you want to make it fair?
Do you want me to specifically tell you want I'm going to do with my posts?
Seriously we have the stipulations you're trying to prove one side I'm trying to prove the other go to town Naji.
I am saying that the same amount of posts is uneven. So yes an additional post would suffice. The issue is that you are NOT trying to prove anything (that would necessitate a positive case). You are trying to disprove something and so you have to rely on me posting my argument first and then trying to counter it. I dont need to know your arguments nor do i care to.
Originally posted by Naija boySo basically you want the extra post so you can get the last word in is essentially what it is.
I am saying that the same amount of posts is uneven. So yes an additional post would suffice. The issue is that you are NOT trying to prove anything (that would necessitate a positive case). You are trying to disprove something and so you have to rely on me posting my argument first and then trying to counter it. I dont need to know your arguments nor do i care to.
You're also making a big jump in logic here. I don't have to wait for you to post first. I could still post my own arguments first. You imply I need you to somehow start this debate I don't.
Cause I am trying to prove something, WBH is not more than 10 times as strong as other versions of Hulk. I don't need you for that but how I choose to go about this debate and use my posts is up to me.
So you can take your unfair bullshit and go somewhere else. If you want we can ask the judges to decide how unfair it is?
Or we can ask one of the judges to take an opening post from each of us then post them for us not counting to our total?
Or I can give you one extra post. Whatever will make you feel better and less wanting to cry. Cause honestly if after 12 posts from each of us you can not get across or debunk all the relative points to this debate something's wrong and one extra post is not going to help you.
What a blockhead. This has absolutely nothing to do with getting the last word in as even with an extra post, I still WOULD NOT get the last word in because of how comprehensive the case im going to have to first establish is. I tire of your mindless badgering so yeah i will take that extra post if you agree and my first posts will be up in the next few minutes
Originally posted by Naija boyWait so let me get this straight you're asking me for an extra post because you decided to blow a couple of posts on your opening. I take it back I'm not giving you the extra post because you wanted and chose to do that.
What a blockhead. This has absolutely nothing to do with getting the last word in as even with an extra post, I still WOULD NOT get the last word in because of how comprehensive the case im going to have to first establish is. I tire of your mindless badgering so yeah i will take that extra post if you agree and my first posts will be up in the next few minutes
That's your own damn fault.