Originally posted by NemeBroThat d'unt count because it was some kind of funeral ritual. Goldilocks may be faaaaaaabulous, but he isn't as consistently trendy as **** as Fulgrim and Lorgar are.
Uh, no, Sanguinius>Lorgar in that regard.Seriously. 😐
Wearing lipstick and make-up with curls in his long black hair in Horus Rising ftw. haermm
Also, his nickname is "goldilocks" for a reason, you nitwit. uhuh
Originally posted by CosmicCometMagnus is the Primarch (Basically, the leading general and demigod warrior) of the Thousand Sons legion of Space Marines, from the Warhammer 40,000 setting.
Don't know shit about magnus, but f*ck yall saying he looks lame.He looks interesting.
Among all the legions, the Thousand Sons were (in)famous for their unparalleled mastery of arcane knowledge and psychic power (Psychic powers are basically magic in the 40k universe). Magnus himself was renowned as being the most powerful psyker among all the Primarchs, and in the 40k setting he is the most powerful psyker short of his father, the Emperor of Mankind. Magnus was also known for his fearsome appearance, with unattractive features and a single eye that changed color and intensity seemingly at random but also due to his mood, and was known to be a giant. Even among Primarchs, who average at a little over ten feet tall, Magnus was considered enormous, his size unmatched by any other Primarch, with only Leman Russ of the Space Wolves and Ferrus Manus of the Iron Hands nearing his size. It should also be mentioned that some, notably Horus and Lorgar, seem to consider Magnus the most powerful Primarch as well, Lorgar outright stating it, and Horus implying it when he tried to enlist Magnus's help in controlling an enraged Lorgar (Only for Magnus to tell Horus to stop being a pussy and handle his own ship).
As for his actual power, he is an enormously powerful telepath. Lorgar proved himself capable of psychically toying with a Daemon that could control the minds of an entire planet-wide civilization, he could have killed it at any time. Magnus then, with a chunk of his psychic power devoted towards maintaining a psychic apparition/avatar on the presence of Lorgar's ship (Magnus himself was on the other side of the galaxy), telepathically dominated Lorgar. Magnus can also slow and even stop time on a planet-wide scale, and can kill hundreds of Space Marines by glancing at them.
Oh and as a Primarch he can punch mountains to rubble and stuff.
Edit: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW STUFF ABOUT MAGNUS.
Leman Russ is sort of an active psyker actually, capable of canceling out the psychic powers of every member of the Thousand Sons short of Magnus himself. That is the extent of his displayed power though.
Oh and Leman Russ had help from Tzeentch, you know, a Chaos God, in that battle.
Magnus in that fight had destroyed his armour, punched his fist through one of Leman Russ's hearts, stabbed a psychic blade through his chest and out of his back, burned and scalded Leman Russ's skin with psyflame, and killed both of the massive tank-sized wolves that Leman Russ brought to help fight Magnus, rather than facing him himself. Oh, and Magnus kind of decimated the Space Wolves legion, while in the middle of fighting Leman Russ.
Leman Russ meanwhile broke Magnus's arm. That's it.
Magnus dominated Russ in a close quarters battle, where Russ excels, for most of the fight. This despite the fact that Russ came to Prospero with the sole intention of taking out Magnus, and Magnus himself was mentally not all there, his pride already broken.
Then, when Magnus burned and blinded Russ, Russ "flailed blindly" and scored a lucky hit on Magnus's only eye, impeding his psychic powers (Which were destroying the surface of Prospero) and blinding him. So basically it was a lucky shot.
Despite this, Magnus still had enough psychic power to transport his entire Legion and all the survivors of the razing of Prospero, millions of people, into the Eye of Terror on a new planet (Magnus himself was saved by Tzeentch).
I should point out that Magnus fought Leman Russ in the presence of a coalition of Silent Sisters, Blanks who damage and cancel psychic powers.
The space puppy would be dead were it not for a single lucky shot.
Oh and Lorgar beat the shit out of Fulgrim, so effortlessly it was sad.
Edit: And yeah DP, all Primarchs are 40k top tiers. To get much higher than a Primarch in power, you need to basically be one of the setting's gods. The Chaos Gods, C'tan, God Emperor, Gork and Mork, Eldar deities, etc.
I don't like Magnus because he was a smarmy douchebag who was completely responsible for his own demise. Fulgrim's fall was somewhat tragic, because while his own arrogance contributed to it, he at least gets a pass for essentially being mind controlled by a daemon possessed sword; Horus' fall is tragic because while his arrogance contributed to it, he gets a pass for being thoroughly ignorant about how chaos works, and having the weight of the entire galaxy on his shoulders as Warmaster. But Magnus, every **** up he did was because he thought he was genuinely better than pretty much everyone else. He spent the first quarter of the book lol"ing at an ultra powerful daemon and another primarch whom he already knows hates his guts, and then he spent the second quarter of the book lol"ing at everyone at the trial and telling allegorical stories that show him and his legion as God's gift to the world while everyone else is a retarded superstitious caveman, and then he spends the third quarter of the book sacrificing astropath virgins, ordering civilians to be tortured until they die, and lol"ing at more daemons. Then there's the fourth quarter of the book, where he mind rapes a couple members of his legion and hands the entire planet to the space wolves on a platter and allows the population to be slaughtered while he sulks in his tower. And then at the end he gets his back broken and teleports them all away to the Eye of Terror. <--- Obviously a gross oversimplification of the plot, but still.
In order for a character to be tragic, he has to be sympathetic. I don't feel any sympathy for Magnus' plight any more than I'd feel sympathy for a kid who gets burned by fire after being told not to touch it twenty times.
While The Thousand Sons are indeed really tragic- like, the end of the story where all the captains tutelaries or whatever started turning on them was pretty horrific- Magnus himself just got what he deserved, imo, his good intentions be damned.
I would say that he really is the strongest primarch though. I can't see any reason why he or his legion would ever lose to another legion in a straight up fight, and I think that's backed up by the fact that McNeil never actually describes "how" the space wolves were beating up on them. Leman Russ and the others just "did".
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I don't like Magnus because he was a smarmy douchebag who was completely responsible for his own demise.
I agree with the last part.
Fulgrim's fall was somewhat tragic, because while his own arrogance contributed to it, he at least gets a pass for essentially being mind controlled by a daemon possessed sword;
He was so arrogant that he assumed he was experiencing sub-conscious thoughts that he never had before and that this was an extension of his perfection, because it seemed impossible that such a perfect being as he could be influenced by something else.
Plus he talks to shit paintings, as in, literally painted with fecal matter.
Horus' fall is tragic because while his arrogance contributed to it, he gets a pass for being thoroughly ignorant about how chaos works, and having the weight of the entire galaxy on his shoulders as Warmaster.
Erebus: Yo dawg statues will be built of Primarchs, but not you, you won't be remembered.
Horus: WHAT THE **** I AM AWESOME I DESERVE TO BE IMMORTALISED.
What an assblaster.
I should point out that Magnus was also, despite his belief, ignorant of the true nature of Chaos, unaware of the gods that lurked inside.
But Magnus, every **** up he did was because he thought he was genuinely better than pretty much everyone else.
Of course.
He spent the first quarter of the book lol"ing at an ultra powerful daemon
The one he crushed in the palm of his hand?
and another primarch whom he already knows hates his guts,
Russ and Magnus have a long history of vitriol against one another, and to be blunt Russ is factually an ignorant savage.
Russ and Magnus are a lot alike, in that they both think they know what's what better than everyone else. Even many other Primarchs think Russ stepped way out of line with how he handled the Prospero issue, he was meant to detain Magnus the Red and sanction the planet, not bomb it from orbit before staging a full-scale invasion.
Magnus treats Russ like an ignorant savage because he is one. He promised Magnus that he would leave the library intact for the Sons after the war on Shrike. He proceeds to go back on his word and attack the Thousand Sons, trying to burn the library. He then has the audacity to get pissed off when the Wolves get their asses kicked (I should add that none of the Space Wolves were killed, the Sons incapacitated them nonlethally), and desired right then and there to kill Magnus, and were it not for Lorgar's intervention, he would have tried to.
And as Prospero Burns shows, the Thousand Sons defecting to Chaos could have been completely avoided if Russ would have not always assumed the worst about Magnus.
and then he spent the second quarter of the book lol"ing at everyone at the trial and telling allegorical stories that show him and his legion as God's gift to the world while everyone else is a retarded superstitious caveman,
His main opponent in the debate was Mortarion. Mortarion, one of the most simple, brutal, and sinister Primarchs. And... Why shouldn't Magnus think lesser of the people who deceived him into coming to what he was told was a war council, that turned out to be a ****ing trial? Most damning is that most of the Primarchs were there to watch the trial, but only Sanguinius, Fulgrim, and Mortarion had the balls to show their faces to him (Russ would have liked to, but the Emperor forbade it).
Magnus, despite his anger, presented his case well, and actually got the majority of the spectators to join his side. But then of course in comes the Emperor handling shit in a heavy-handed and idiotic way, as he always does.
The Emperor doesn't explain why his way of thinking is right, he just tells you what the **** to do and expects you to listen. Many of the Primarchs understandably didn't respond well to that.
and then he spends the third quarter of the book sacrificing astropath virgins, ordering civilians to be tortured until they die, and lol"ing at more daemons.
True, Magnus, as all Primarchs do, views mortals as fairly expendable.
Then there's the fourth quarter of the book, where he mind rapes a couple members of his legion and hands the entire planet to the space wolves on a platter and allows the population to be slaughtered while he sulks in his tower. And then at the end he gets his back broken and teleports them all away to the Eye of Terror. <--- Obviously a gross oversimplification of the plot, but still.
More or less, yes.
In order for a character to be tragic, he has to be sympathetic. I don't feel any sympathy for Magnus' plight any more than I'd feel sympathy for a kid who gets burned by fire after being told not to touch it twenty times.
Emperor: Hey Magnus don't do that.
Magnus: Why not?
Emperor: SHUT THE **** UP AND DO WHAT I SAY.
The Emperor consistently lied to his Primarchs and didn't trust them with anything.
What makes Magnus sympathetic and tragic though is that, barring borderline Sues like Sanguinius, Magnus was one of the most personiable, charismatic, and kind Primarchs. Although he did indeed believe himself to be the bestest ever, he also treated mortals, mere humans, better than most Primarchs would. He also did in fact have noble intentions from the end, and while he made mistakes, it only got so bad because of guys like Leman Russ, Valdor, and the Emperor.
Need I remind you that Magnus accidently destroyed the Webway. Had the Emperor just, you know, told the guy he wanted to sit on it about what he was doing on Terra, it could have been entirely avoided.
While The Thousand Sons are indeed really tragic- like, the end of the story where all the captains tutelaries or whatever started turning on them was pretty horrific- Magnus himself just got what he deserved, imo, his good intentions be damned.
Oh I would agree, Magnus more or less got what he deserved, but his sons did not.
I would say that he really is the strongest primarch though. I can't see any reason why he or his legion would ever lose to another legion in a straight up fight, and I think that's backed up by the fact that McNeil never actually describes "how" the space wolves were beating up on them. Leman Russ and the others just "did".
The Thousand Sons were the smallest legion by a pretty signifigant margin. They number ten thousand. Most other legions number in the hundred thousands. Though yeah, man for man, no other Astartes Legion matches the Thousand Sons. They are basically Grey Knights before Grey Knights.
Also, yeah it is described. Their psychic powers backlash on them throughout the fight, due to Tzeentch ****ery.