Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, fair enough... If not being American means my opinion on the matter is moot, done.

It's not a matter of your opinion being moot, it's that stating your opinion on the matter is redundant at this point. What does stating that American gun laws don't make sense to non-Americans in every post achieve?

the police force has guns because society has given them the monopoly on violence?

my point was about random citizens taking the law into their own hands, not the people we, as a society, have deemed responsible to make those types of decisions in split seconds where their lives might be in danger.

this isn't a situation of a cop shooting a kid, this is a random guy who shot someone, because he thought [or knew, whatever] it was his right to carry around a gun and enforce the law in his neighbourhood.

actually, simply having a gun is an offense. You may be able to get away with defending yourself on a murder charge for shooting a mugger, but unless you have some specialized security position that gets you a licence, you can't just carry around a gun or any other weapon.

otherwise, a) its not that you should be assumed the instigator, but if you want to carry a gun around in public, you should at the very least be held to a higher standard of behaviour that someone who is unarmed. At minimum, someone who is armed should bare more legal liability in the death of another person than should someone who is unarmed.

What is retarded though, is getting arrested after you run out your burning house that was deliberately set on fire, with a gun in your hand.

b) There is no debate in this specific case as to who the aggressor was. Zimmerman chased after Martin, who was breaking no laws, because he thought he was up to no good, after being told by police not to. That is intent. Maybe not intent to kill, but certainly to initiate an altercation. [/B]

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's not really true.

Look at how little gun violence you have in countries like New Zealand where they have strict gun control laws.

The popluation of New Zealand is 4.3678 million. Maybe there is a different realson.

b) There is no debate in this specific case as to who the aggressor was. Zimmerman chased after Martin, who was breaking no laws, because he thought he was up to no good, after being told by police not to. That is intent. Maybe not intent to kill, but certainly to initiate an altercation

He didnt "chase" Martin he "followed" him which give totally different impressions. "Chase" makes it seem like he was running after Martin which would seem like intent but "followed" doesnt have to be serious at all. Kids follow their parents on walks. Martain even said "why are you following me" as stated by his gf who was on the phone. Following someone is not intent for anything as you could just be watching them to see what theyre doing as Zimmerman said he was. The aggressor was whoever started the phsyical altercation which the only eyewitness says was Martin and will be tough to disprove

THE ****ER IS ACTUALLY MIXED... HALF WHITE/ HALF LATINO... BUT NO MATTER WHAT ETHNICITY IT'S WRONG PERIOD... IF IT WERE A BLACK GUY THAT KILLED A WHITE BOY IT STILL WOULD'VE BEEN WRONG

THE ****ER IS ACTUALLY MIXED... HALF WHITE/ HALF LATINO... BUT NO MATTER WHAT ETHNICITY IT'S WRONG PERIOD... IF IT WERE A BLACK GUY THAT KILLED A WHITE BOY IT STILL WOULD'VE BEEN WRONG

Whats wrong exactly? Zimmerman claims the Martin punched him nad slammed his head into the ground repeatedly and he shot Martin in self defense. If that is in fact what happened what is wrong? Should he have just allowed Martin to continue beating him? Maybe to death?

Originally posted by carlosthing
THE ****ER IS ACTUALLY MIXED... HALF WHITE/ HALF LATINO... BUT NO MATTER WHAT ETHNICITY IT'S WRONG PERIOD... IF IT WERE A BLACK GUY THAT KILLED A WHITE BOY IT STILL WOULD'VE BEEN WRONG

If a black guy were to kill a white boy, we would never hear about it.

If a black guy were to kill a white boy, we would never hear about it.

thats not news

Originally posted by juggerman
thats not news

Who are you quoting and are you implying that black-on-white crime is somehow swept under the rug?

quoting the post right before mine and im not implying. im saying

Originally posted by juggerman
quoting the post right before mine and im not implying. im saying

Ah, my error. I wouldn't have thought Shaky would say that, but I doubt he meant it in a racist fashion.

its cool i was joking anyway. i hear about black people killing white people all the time but it would never get this much attention unless they were famous

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, my error. I wouldn't have thought Shaky would say that, but I doubt he meant it in a racist fashion.

Dog bites man is not news, but man bites dog is.

I am implying that there are a lot of raciest people behind this case that wouldn't be there if the reverse happened.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dog bites man is not news, but man bites dog is.

I am implying that there are a lot of raciest people behind this case that wouldn't be there if the reverse happened.

If Zimmerman was black, you likely wouldn't have heard about it cos he would have been taken in and jailed from the start.

I don't think most people would argue with how police approach black-males and crime in the US, esp in Southern States. It's generally not favorably.

Originally posted by Robtard
If Zimmerman was black, you likely wouldn't have heard about it cos he would have been taken in and jailed from the start.

I don't think most people would argue with how police approach black-males and crime in the US, esp in Southern States. It's generally not favorably.

I don't know, but that is what I have been told. I wasn't meaning to imply any of that.

I am talking about the hype. If all were equal, but race were reversed, then we wouldn't be talking about it now. I don't know that for sure, but that is were I would put my money.

he wasnt jailed from the start due to him having ties with the police there and he was on his way to becoming a police officer there himself i believe.

had he not had those ties and been just some unknown man to them he probably would have been locked up that night. race is a much smaaler part of this case than alot of people believe imo

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know, but that is what I have been told. I wasn't meaning to imply any of that.

I am talking about the hype. If all were equal, but race were reversed, then we wouldn't be talking about it now. I don't know that for sure, but that is were I would put my money.

Probably because the story would be: 'man shoots another man, he was jailed' and no one would be outraging.

Probably because the story would be: 'man shoots another man, he was jailed' and no one would be outraging.

like

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably because the story would be: 'man shoots another man, he was jailed' and no one would be outraging.

You don't know that, and that is not what I said. You can have your own opinion, but I feel like you are opposing your ideas onto me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You don't know that, and that is not what I said. You can have your own opinion, but I feel like you are opposing your ideas onto me.

No, I don't know that as fact, why I didn't try to pass it off as such, it was my opinion which is based on a well documented history of the penal system being more severe towards black-males in the US.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I don't know that as fact, why I didn't try to pass it off as such, it was my opinion which is based on a well documented history of the penal system being more severe towards black-males in the US.

I think we are talking past each other.