Originally posted by Galan007Battlezone H/P Doomsday vs Wonder Woman's or Superman's reflex speed?
In term's of how fast they can get from point A to point B? I agree. DD isn't remotely close to their speed-level. Where punching/reflex/brawling speed is concerned, however, DD is every bit their equal.
Originally posted by Galan007
Fights are the only way to gauge the speed I'm referring to. 😕
Not quite true. Superman rebuilt an entire city in a matter of seconds. He had to hammer nails, drill holes, lay bricks, mortar, build things up...These are all far more complicated actions than simply throwing a punch.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Why? It'd be a loaded BZ from the beginning. I alone can think of a dozen+ instances in which Superman and Dianna have reacted in miniscule amounts of time (nanoseconds, picoseconds, etc.)--which are the type of scans I'd expect you to post. Doomsday, on the other hand, doesn't have those kind of feats to his name. All we have to go by on his behalf are the instances in which the JLA remarked how fast he was, along with him dominating each of them respectively.
Battlezone H/P Doomsday vs Wonder Woman's or Superman's reflex speed?
All I am getting at is that DD is not a slow feeb--FAR from it, in fact. In battle, he can (and has) kept up with the creme of DC's crop. I'm certainly not calling him a speedster by any means, though.
Originally posted by carver9So you're of the opinion that everyone Doomsday fights holds back their 'superior' speed, and opt, instead, to let him beat them to within an inch of their life?
Lol, then you'll be wrong then you would have to share the wealth to other "typical" bricks that has done similar against similar characters.
Hmm, okie dokie.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Not quite true. Superman rebuilt an entire city in a matter of seconds. He had to hammer nails, drill holes, lay bricks, mortar, build things up...These are all far more complicated actions than simply throwing a punch.
Superman was amped by blue sunlight when he did this. Visiting respect threads is a terrible route to take. Read the comics buddy.
Originally posted by Galan007I think that's DCs biggest prob tbh they mix a lot slow and fast characters together and simply ignore the difference from time to time.
Why? It'd be a loaded BZ from the beginning. I alone can think of a dozen+ instances in which Superman and Dianna have reacted in miniscule amounts of time (nanoseconds, picoseconds, etc.)--which are the type of scans I'd expect you to post. Doomsday, on the other hand, doesn't have those kind of feats to his name. All we have to go by on his behalf are the instances in which the JLA remarked how fast he was, along with him dominating each of them respectively.All I am getting at is that DD is not a slow feeb--FAR from it, in fact. In battle, he can (and has) kept up with the creme of DC's crop. I'm certainly not calling him a speedster by any means, though.
Going by this kind of argumentation I could actually make valid claims for Spider-man fighting at near lightspeed.
Originally posted by Galan007
So you're of the opinion that everyone Doomsday fights holds back their 'superior' speed, and opt, instead, to let him beat them to within an inch of their life?Hmm, okie dokie.
I'm under the impression that Superman is faster than Doomsday just like Gladiator is faster than Hulk just like Martian Manhunter is faster than Despero (hope you caught on to that). Doomsday is fast, hell, all of these people I mentioned are fast but he isn't Superman fast.
Originally posted by Galan007Being every bit of Wonder Woman's and Superman's reflex speed level does make him a speedster. If you actually believe in the former premise.
Why? It'd be a loaded BZ from the beginning. I alone can think of a dozen+ instances in which Superman and Dianna have reacted in miniscule amounts of time (nanoseconds, picoseconds, etc.)--which are the type of scans I'd expect you to post. Doomsday, on the other hand, doesn't have those kind of feats to his name. All we have to go by on his behalf are the instances in which the JLA remarked how fast he was, along with him dominating each of them respectively.All I am getting at is that DD is not a slow feeb--FAR from it, in fact. In battle, he can (and has) kept up with the creme of DC's crop. I'm certainly not calling him a speedster by any means, though.
Originally posted by Starscream MWhat, like Konvikt was? Or General?
HP DD was too fast for superman
Originally posted by carver9
Superman was amped by blue sunlight when he did this. Visiting respect threads is a terrible route to take. Read the comics buddy.
Weren't you the one arguing not too long ago that Blue sunlight didn't amp Superman all that much or at least to an unknown degree? Or am I confusing you with some other moron? It's hard to keep track of all the dumb things you post.
Originally posted by carver9Where fighting is concerned, he is absolutely 'Superman fast'. Superman himself stated as much. srsly
I'm under the impression that Superman is faster than Doomsday just like Gladiator is faster than Hulk just like Martian Manhunter is faster than Despero (hope you caught on to that). Doomsday is fast, hell, all of these people are fast but he isn't Superman fast.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman was amped by blue sunlight when he did this. Visiting respect threads is a terrible route to take. Read the comics buddy.
Doesn't matter. Even if it amped his speed by a factor of one million, its still an unbelievable demonstration of reflexes, and better than anything other rival company bricks have done.
Besides this, he had a shared feat with the Flash in grounded that was quite similar, when they put the city and the citizens back to normal after Flash was decorating it as though it were Krypton while he had that mindcontrolling head-band on him.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Weren't you the one arguing not too long ago that Blue sunlight didn't amp Superman all that much or at least to an unknown degree? Or am I confusing you with some other moron? It's hard to keep track of all the dumb things you post.
Do you know about any comic character you debate for or against? I never said that blue sunlight does nothing for Superman when on panel, it states the opposite. Read the comic and stop visiting respect threads. Like you mentioning 50 Super Nova, didn't happen...it was a made up story by Superman adopted parent. You would have known this if you read the comic.
Originally posted by CosmicCometAnd, apparently, H/P Doomsday could do it. Because he isn't a rival company brick.
Doesn't matter. Even if it amped his speed by a factor of one million, its still an unbelievable demonstration of reflexes, and better than anything other rival company bricks have done.Besides this, he had a shared feat with the Flash in grounded that was quite similar, when they put the city and the citizens back to normal after Flash was decorating it as though it were Krypton while he had that mindcontrolling head-band on him.
Is this what I'm supposed to believe?
Originally posted by carver9
I'm under the impression that Superman is faster than Doomsday just like Gladiator is faster than Hulk just like Martian Manhunter is faster than Despero (hope you caught on to that). Doomsday is fast, hell, all of these people I mentioned are fast but he isn't Superman fast.
He's got kryptonian dna. He's in the ballpark for sure.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And, apparently, H/P Doomsday could do it. Because he isn't a rival company brick.Is this what I'm supposed to believe?
He absolutely should have the necessary perception speed to do it, but not the powerset. E.G. the flight and heat vision. Maybe he could make do with the fire breath he got at one time though in place of HV.