Originally posted by carver9
But you posted the same scan though. Can you answer the question please.
Of course I could. I could go into detail again about characters with superspeed getting hit all the time. Or I could simply point out that Maxima herself has superspeed... but I said I was done with that argument so I'll hold back.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Of course I could. I could go into detail again about characters with superspeed getting hit all the time. Or I could simply point out that Maxima herself has superspeed... but I said I was done with that argument so I'll hold back.
But how could he dodge her with Superman holding her but when they were face to face, he was unable too? He surprised her/caught her off guard...Thats why.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Y'all need to seriously calm down.First stop assuming what my way is. Im just pointing something out which seems hypocritical to me.
Show me speed feats of DOS Doomsday that put him well above Hulk(except for fighting speedsters which Hulk has also done) and then I may have to take my statement back.
And for the record, in Hulk vs Supes threads I always say Supes speed blitz Hulk.
Why do I need to show you ANYTHING about DD compared to Hulk? Why do I even care about the Hulk? Its fanboys like ODG (Hulk Butthurt) coming into a SS vs DD thread and claiming DD is no faster than Hulk.
The onus of proof is on the deluded fanboys if they want to come in and derail the thread with their Hulk Butthurt.
It would be like me going into a Hulk vs Lobo thread and then I start claiming "Hulk is no stronger than Grundy, prove me wrong or else"...then everyone else chimes in with agreement and all of a sudden YOU have to "prove" something, and we'd never accept it no matter what you say. I'm pretty sure the Marvel fanboys would issue a swift "GTFO" response. Its amazing how the DC-backers have such patience.
And again, sometime during this thread, another was made to compare DD and Hulk's speed. It was closed for Hulk Butthurt and trolling, no different from in here.
Originally posted by Placidity🤘
Why do I need to show you ANYTHING about DD compared to Hulk? Why do I even care about the Hulk? Its fanboys like ODG (Hulk Butthurt) coming into a SS vs DD thread and claiming DD is no faster than Hulk.The onus of proof is on the deluded fanboys if they want to come in and derail the thread with their Hulk Butthurt.
It would be like me going into a Hulk vs Lobo thread and then I start claiming "Hulk is no stronger than Grundy, prove me wrong or else"...then everyone else chimes in with agreement and all of a sudden YOU have to "prove" something, and we'd never accept it no matter what you say. I'm pretty sure the Marvel fanboys would issue a swift "GTFO" response. Its amazing how the DC-backers have such patience.
And again, sometime during this thread, another was made to compare DD and Hulk's speed. It was closed for Hulk Butthurt and trolling, no different from in here.
Originally posted by carver9The answer is simple; Doomsday doesn't need to dodge every blow, and a comic where the bad guy was unhittable and stronger than everyone else wouldn't allow much room for it to escalate to an epic showdown. It would hardly be entertaining at all. Also, Doomsday takes hits because he can, same reason Superman often does. Even Brainiac/Doomsday purposely took shots from Wonder Woman, something afforded to him by the fact she was no threat to him.
But how could he dodge her with Superman holding her but when they were face to face, he was unable too? He surprised her/caught her off guard...Thats why.
Now quit trolling when you aren't even coming close to something qualifying as an actual point regarding the topic being discussed[Hulks speed vs Doomsday's, or alternatively Surfer vs Doomsday]. It seems like you're posting consistently retarded stuff just because you get your jollies seeing people reply to you, when you already should know the answer. Or perhaps that's off-base too, and common sense really does elude you.
Originally posted by carver9
But you posted the same scan though. Can you answer the question please.
I can answer it. It's because the writer's wanted to show that DD can take Maxima's punch. It's the art of storytelling. Allow something to happen so that the reader understands more of a character (DD's durability).
Do you agree that Surfer has ftl reflexes and speed? If so then why the he get hit so many times by super slow attacks? Was it for the sake of the story and not because he's really that slow?
Originally posted by Delta1938Nukes, gas, satellite blasts are all plot devices. In some stories nukes kill in some they survive. Take Maestro for instance. Hulk like Superman has grown resistant to less powerful forms of attack but if a writer uses one as a plot device that isn't necessarily the same thing as someone just beating him down either. Everything varies writer to writer especially kryptonite or punches. To take ancient scans in order to falsely compare to today's Hulk is both disingenuous and wrong.
Hey I brought-up that you pointed it out so NYAH!! 😠No, you don't even comprehend what I've been saying. It's quite clear at this point. Your argument is completely illogical. You're saying that Superman is just as weak to force as Hulk is to gas. Your argument has been they've both increased in power. All that means is Hulk would've gotten more resistant, it doesn't mean he wouldn't be disproportionately weak to it. You've argued that Hulk can now tank a nuke. I pointed-out I saw a scan that was roughly around the time of Hulk being downed by tear gas, and he took FOUR nukes. So explain how Hulk isn't weak to gas unless you think that tear gas>nukes? Having become more powerful doesn't mean he's as weak to it as Superman is to being punched. Superman has always taken a great deal of force to be physically hurt.
No, it isn't a weakness and t prove it you need a current example. Previous Hulks were susceptible just like Superman is susceptible to powerful punches.
For the sake of illustration, let's say a nuke Hulk took is a 30, and the tear gas is a 2. Well, now that he's become more powerful, maybe it takes the gas being a 15 to hurt him, but the physical force is now a 120. Hulk is still disproportionately vulnerable to gas compared to physical force.[/B]
No, they are two different things. Superman might be practically immune to gas attacks but that doesn't mean Hulk has a weakness against it. Superman has grown in power so it takes more force just as it takes more gas to take down the Hulk if it even works with regards to today's Hulk.
Superman, on the other hand, has been more resistant to gas since the Byrne era.s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view¤t=smos-077.jpg
And there's other examples both published in this time frame, and that take place during this point in his career. Like this.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view¤t=BSWWTrinity-001-56.jpg
So, no, your argument does not follow the same logic, 'cuz Superman is just as proportionately resistant to gas attacks as he is physical force. Maybe, just MAYBE now you'll start to understand what I've been saying.
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The power ring coupled wit his abilities is the issue. Without the ring he wasn't an issue. Destroying the ring defeated Doomsday. The guy took a really long nap. Sorry, you can't show this for an example.
So, you've got proof the Guardian couldn't overcome any advantage the Power Ring gave Doomsday against the GLs?And now your words make it appear you're arguing the Power Ring still amped him when it was destroyed. Are you getting selective amnesia?[/B]
Doomsday survived what Waverider and Superman survived. What's so amazing about that ? Why bring it up ?
Except, I've already told you. I wasn't talking about the entire scene, merely the part where they were surviving the forces of gravity and all that. You're just desperately clinging to this. There's a huge difference between the part I showed and the part where time it's self has ended. There's nothing TO survive from there. End of story. For you to keep arguing this has you either desperately grasping at straws, or you're an idiot. Which is it, Quanchi?
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That's the literal meaning of the words from the page. I don't care if you don't agree I am simply going by the words on the panel.
I've been nice enough to show scans to what I reference when I can, it'd be appreciated if you would do the same. I'd like to see this to see how legit an argument it is. After all, you do think Doomsday was killed by his bacteria being "expunged."[/B]
You seem angry just chill out.
It isn't a big deal? Then I guess space being damaged is about as common as lifting cars in comics?[/B]
The writer of hp went on about how much power would be required to kill Doomsday. Surfer exceeds that imo. Pretty simple case.Clearly you do. If all that mattered was I agreed Surfer won, instead of the why, you would've dropped-out LONG AGO. But the only reason Surfer wins here is due to the scenario. But no, you must "win" that Surfer wins because he kills Doomsday, or whatever it is you think happens.[/B]
You can take the meaning literally or not.
And what "twisting around" am I doing? It's quite clear that Imperiex Prime was speaking metaphorically. He saw Doomsday as bacteria to him. The "expunged" he was referring to was clearly killing Doomsday.[/B]
I can tell what it meant. Most readers disagree all the time to the meaning or the words I take it literally you don'
As for you've heard about me, you think I care? From who? DevilHulk? Oh yeah he's a case of honesty and trustworthy-ness. That kid was proven to be a liar on my old site posting under different usernames and still lied about it. But that's irrelevant since it doesn't really matter to me what you've heard about me. But it does matter that right here we see you can't tell what the comic actually meant.[/B]
I can't say honestly what went on on your site as I posted once..
Comics don't have to make sense. It's pure fantasy.
While this is a true statement, you're still wrong. Doomsday being killed by his bacteria being "expunged" makes no sense even for comics. [/B]
Originally posted by Delta1938I disagreed with a few of your points hence my responses. At this your conclusion is correct.
See my above statement. If all that mattered was I agreed Surfer won, instead of the how, you wouldn't still be here.So what? This is H/P Doomsday. We saw H/P Doomsday adapt to Waverider's energy quickly. Me showing the YEAR ONE example was merely an example of a much weaker Doomsday taking attacks from a being more powerful than Surfer. It also wasn't the only example I gave. And I never said Doomsday was immune to energy attacks, I was merely pointing-out examples of him adapting to energy attacks. Doomsday's taken more force than Surfer can dish-out anyways, so if he adapts to Surfer's energy that would just make him particularly resistant on top of being able to dish-out that level of force.
DD had a power ring so it's dismissing the ring while turning a blind eye of DOS Superman killing him. Doomsday can't adapt past pure force attacks. He can adapt to levels of force and exotic attacks.
You acted as if Doomsday somehow survived and then when corrected changed your tune.
Except, I wasn't talking about the part where time it's self has been ended. So the only "concession" is that I poorly worded what I was arguing. Doomsday did not die until time it's self ended.
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I am simply arguing based on the literal meaning of the words. You can disagree but it doesn't change the literal meaning.
So how else would this have turned him into a smoldering skeleton? I mean if it was that easy, couldn't the Imperiex Probes have done it? Sure, they weren't as powerful as the real deal, but I'd think multiple Probes could've come together to have "expunged bacteria" against Doomsday, if it were that easy. I mean Hell, by your argument, DEATH OF SUPERMAN could've been avoided by dumping bleach and rubbing alcohol on Doomsday. So you're saying that Doomsday's Kryptonite is anti-bacterial soap? Good thing I'm a germaphobe, if I ever come across Doomsday all I need to do is run to my stockpile of Dial.[/B]
Thor's never ko'd the Surfer with his fists. Surfer is more powerful than hp Superman and according to jurgens has the power to kill Doomsday.
And Surfer being more powerful than Radiant is relevant to H/P Doomsday how? And I think I've seen Thor KO Surfer with his fists. Granted I could be mistaken, but even if I'm wrong, it's not the only example I have.[/B]
You're rather odd.
Did you just defend that you were giggling like a Japanophile schoolgirl? If you did, maybe you should worry about yourself more than other people "wasting" their time.[/B]
It's just hilarious you are using examples of Thor who is pretty much the most powerful top tier in all of comicdom. Thor never ko'd Surfer with his fists.
Too bad for you that, even if you're correct that Thor has never KO'ed Surfer by just punching him, that it's not the only example I gave. When you largely ignored the other examples I gave.[/B]
He's also done well against Thor and the Hulk. I mean a gas station ko'd Superman before, right ?
Oh c'mon Quanchi, I thought you were better than this. Your very question was for examples(well actually you said "one example"😉 of Surfer doing poorly against a brick, and there's a scan of Surfer being KOed by a literal brick. How could I resist?[/B]
The gas station incident isn't that bad but it's close. I am citing standard examples you are going for the lowest of the low while mine are consistent with the characters. Your examples aren't. SG isn't a canon showing for Thanos.
Plus, this shows bad judgement on your end. You think Superman being beaten by Kalibak or his jaw broken by Zod compares to a brick to the head? And if you want humiliating examples, I've got 4 words for you: "Thanos versus Squirrel Girl." That should end it.[/B]
Doomsday has the power of "adaptive evolution." Meaning he can develop new abilities as he needs them. It doesn't guarantee he'd develop it, but for you to say he couldn't or say I'm giving him unseen abilities(when I'm merely pointing-out what a POWER HE HAS could do) is just wrong. [/B][/QUOTE] You need proof to make a claim on here otherwise it's just speculative and bias. This isn't powerset arguing like cbr.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Pass.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7091392
Originally posted by carver9
Quantifiable speed fts.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6602885
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6602921
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6602928
...Why?
