PC Superman vs Silver Surfer, Thor and Hulk.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wasn't aware anyone here had a conventional weakness to bullets, unless you're talking about that one time Thor got shot with a vibranium bullet to the dome, which is about as valid as a gas station exploding taking out Superman.

No one on team Marvel has a conventional weakness like Superman does, though, so I'm not sure of his point?

Just to mention an example Hulk has a lot of times being defeated by gas, even though "gas" is not an explicit weakness.

Just like that every character in comics has it's own share

oh no..........

Originally posted by biensalsa
Just to mention an example Hulk has a lot of times being defeated by gas, even though "gas" is not an explicit weakness.

Just like that every character in comics has it's own share

But how would gas be relevant here?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But how would gas be relevant here?

Well, you were just asking, and I responded, now You want me to create a whole scenario in which that comes into play?

I just gave you an example.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Well, you were just asking, and I responded, now You want me to create a whole scenario in which that comes into play, I just gave you an example.

I'm just not getting your stance though? Turning on weakness exploitation for team Marvel through non implied vulnerabilities doesn't make sense, as they'd be by, default, on. Hulk isn't "weak" to gas in the same sense that Superman would be "weak" to kryptonite, red solar energy, or adversely effected by magic (depending on how you view his relationship to magic). Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm just not getting your stance though? Turning on weakness exploitation for team Marvel through non implied vulnerabilities doesn't make sense, as they'd be by, default, on. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

Oh! I get your point. Yes maybe I did not explained myself correctly, last time I came here Silver Surfer was a "GOD" and pretty much the only character suffering from weaknesses exploitation was Superman, regardless of anything.

and the no limits fallacy argument left and right for every Marvel character

Originally posted by biensalsa
Oh! I get your point. Yes maybe I did not explained myself correctly, last time I came here Silver Surfer was a "GOD" and pretty much the only character suffering from weaknesses exploitation was Superman, regardless of anything.

and the no limits fallacy argument left and right for every Marvel character

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No.

I'm saying that a bunch of those feats are garbage because half of them don't make any sense even given comic logic and the other half are just stupid in terms of explanation and scale.

Of course, I recognize they did happen and are canon for Pre-Crisis Superman. I just think a bunch of those PC feats, not just his, but in general, are retarded as all hell. So you can cut me some credit on that front.

And really, a PC Superman thread is generally bound to devolve into "Superman stomps/oneshots *insert opponent* 10/10 with ease" anyway, so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I agree.

🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
So you think we should have a cut off of Silver Age Marvel feats for the likes of Hulk and Thor as well, because of the absurdity of the era?

I agree.

🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, just superman has the absurd feats and his low feats are the norm for him or the high feats superman is different from low feats superman or something like that. Didn't you get the memo?

Originally posted by Juntai
Well if we cut out their retarded Silver Age feats it cut out half of their feats and becomes even less likely that most of those characters are comparable to the likes of Superman. Given his last 10 years has feats comparable to their last 50, and not only just as impressive[if not more-so], but far greater in number. Shows their ultimate maximums are just.. I dunno. .. average for the Man of Steel.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
PIS off? Well, there goes a lot of the vaunted Pre-Crisis feats. mmm

Curious as to why there's no weakness exploitation allowed, though?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, just superman has the absurd feats and his low feats are the norm for him or the high feats superman is different from low feats superman or something like that. Didn't you get the memo?

What would you say is his lowest feat?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look at who made the thread.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
What would you say is his lowest feat?

How is gas not a weakness for the Hulk when it takes him down easier than kryptonite has been shown to take down Superman?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How is gas not a weakness for the Hulk when it takes him down easier than kryptonite has been shown to take down Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Says the guy who is arguing about king thor beating kal kent in a match without his power source is a fair fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But how would gas be relevant here?

PC Superman's gas is the stuff of legend.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gas can hurt him it's just not a specific weakness. It's like saying Superman has a weakness to punches since they have knocked him out before. Superman isn't immune to powerful punches but they aren't a specific weakness.

Gas is not a specific weakness for the Hulk, but people seem to forget that just because characters have no specific weakness, they are unbeatable

Like for example Thor, for what I have seen about Thor, He is not immune to powerful lasers, yet most people will believe that no laser in the universe will be able to hurt Thor, so therefore Superman's laser vision can do nothing to Thor.

So, yes I agree You can take Superman down if you hit him hard enough, but will you agree that you can severe one of Thor's limbs with a laser?

Go into any single thread of SM in here and you will always find the words Kryptonite, Red. and Magic

Go to any of the others and you will rarely see a Hulk thread mentioning Gas, even though Gas should be considered a weakness for Hulk, because hes been defeated with it many, many times.

The point is that every character has limits, but people seem to forget about those.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gas can hurt him it's just not a specific weakness. It's like saying Superman has a weakness to punches since they have knocked him out before. Superman isn't immune to powerful punches but they aren't a specific weakness.

The super sun is an external amp. He still gets his powers but the environment isn't set up right next to is external amp. You still see Kal Kent as winning so it's ridiculous for you to say it isn't fair.

Originally posted by Juntai
So you think we should have a cut off of Silver Age Marvel feats for the likes of Hulk and Thor as well, because of the absurdity of the era?

I agree.

🙂

Nice strawman attempt.

Me thinking a feat is stupid/silly/absurd =/= me thinking said feat doesn't count or shouldn't be used. Thor and Hulk have retarded feats too and I never said otherwise.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, just superman has the absurd feats and his low feats are the norm for him or the high feats superman is different from low feats superman or something like that. Didn't you get the memo?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What're you talking about? Didn't you look how fast thor moved in that comic 40 years ago or how he ran in a park at super-speed? That totally makes sense, only superman's doesn't. Why would we take his solar system sneezing feat into account, it isn't like he has snuffed stars on two different time under two different writers, moved a giant star with his breath, moved earth with his breath etc. But thor affecting a multiversal being (chaos king) with his lightning is totally acceptable.

And you honestly don't think any of what you typed up here is bitter sounding at all? 😬