Originally posted by abhilegend
He escaped and defeated him under the red sun.
Do you know where this happened or have scans or a link? I'd love to see it because it sounds like the sort of thing that needs context.
Unless surfer can remove the yellow sun, its not happening.
Wait... does the arena have a yellow sun in the first place? I know Supes comes in with all his native powers, but does he get to "recharge" on the assumption that a specific type of star happens to be the nearest in the sky? Anyway, Surfer can obviously (as in, has done so) encase him in the energy completely.
For power drainage he resisted blackstarr who was effecting time particles with her energy manipulation powers. He can resist surfer long enough to replenish his powers by sunlight. With CIS on surfer isn't going to do this on the fly anyway.
I think we have a different impression of what CIS means. It is within his powers. He's done it to multiple opponents before. It's not like he doesn't know how or that he has some kind of character trait that will stop him. We assume that he will fight his best for the sake of these math ups, right?
Anyway, assuming that all of these resistance feats you've given for Supes are valid (ie not dependent on any plot context) then I'm pretty impressed. However, you have to admit that all of these things will still weaken him. Meanwhile, he still has to put up a fight against Surfer, who will be at full power and can just play "keep away" and fire planet-busters until completion.
Originally posted by Dream StuffI doubt you will get an answer he does this sort of thing all the time. he leaves out context or avoids answers questions when he knows he purposely left something out.
Do you know where this happened or have scans or a link? I'd love to see it because it sounds like the sort of thing that needs context.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Do you know where this happened or have scans or a link? I'd love to see it because it sounds like the sort of thing that needs context.Wait... does the arena have a yellow sun in the first place? I know Supes comes in with all his native powers, but does he get to "recharge" on the assumption that a specific type of star happens to be the nearest in the sky? Anyway, Surfer can obviously (as in, has done so) encase him in the energy completely.
I think we have a different impression of what CIS means. It is within his powers. He's done it to multiple opponents before. It's not like he doesn't know how or that he has some kind of character trait that will stop him. We assume that he will fight his best for the sake of these math ups, right?
Anyway, assuming that all of these resistance feats you've given for Supes are valid (ie not dependent on any plot context) then I'm pretty impressed. However, you have to admit that all of these things will still weaken him. Meanwhile, he still has to put up a fight against Surfer, who will be at full power and can just play "keep away" and fire planet-busters until completion.
Slight correction on my behalf, he defeated eradicator by trapping him in a crystal.
Superman regaining his power almost instantly after days of red sun radiation
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC863-006.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC863-007.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC863-008.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC863-009.jpg
Against blackstarr
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR2.jpg
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Remember even under a red sun he was able to power engines to move krypton and tank a blast equivalent to 52 supernovas while taking shots from a sun eater. "Planet busting", if we are taking surfer at his best, superman survived the collision of two planets at least thousands of times bigger than earth with a brief ko and survived the explosion of source wall. He's also survived being in the middle of a sun eater before and tanked a moon busting attack without a scratch back in 90's. I'm sure he would manage, I don't see surfer using his CA on the fly anyway, he's done that how many times in his publication history, 4 or 5 times? I can see you superman blitzing dozens of times, but people still claim that he wouldn't do that here. I see this as if superman and surfer tangle in this match, its split or 5.5/10 for surfer, thor would take adam 6/10. Surfer wouldn't be able to take on thor afterwards. If superman and adam tangles, its superman 5.5-6/10 and thor takes surfer 6/10. Either way team 1 wins.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Do you know where this happened or have scans or a link? I'd love to see it because it sounds like the sort of thing that needs context.
I know abhilegend already replied, but here's the full example.
ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #480
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/VS%20Eradicator/
It's important to note this was Byrne-era Superman, he was much less resistant to red solar energy than later examples, like during INFINITE CRISIS.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Wait... does the arena have a yellow sun in the first place? I know Supes comes in with all his native powers, but does he get to "recharge" on the assumption that a specific type of star happens to be the nearest in the sky? Anyway, Surfer can obviously (as in, has done so) encase him in the energy completely.
When has Surfer ever encased Superman in energy? 😛
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I think we have a different impression of what CIS means. It is within his powers. He's done it to multiple opponents before. It's not like he doesn't know how or that he has some kind of character trait that will stop him. We assume that he will fight his best for the sake of these math ups, right?
I know this wasn't to me, but wouldn't CIS, ya know, BE a character trait that'd stop him from doing a lot of things? I see people all the time arguing against Superman speed-blitzing that it's "not in character" but then have no problem for Surfer doing things I haven't seen him do often.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Anyway, assuming that all of these resistance feats you've given for Supes are valid (ie not dependent on any plot context) then I'm pretty impressed.
However, you have to admit that all of these things will still weaken him.
Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, I can verify from memory that the examples he gave that I've seen are legit(aside from partially on the Eradicator example, which he later corrected himself; but the actual being under a red sun thing is completely valid). But Superman's still done plenty while weakened. People focus a lot on these and assume he's going to be in bad shape. But fail to realize, he wouldn't be holding back to the same degree when weakened. Like when he actually had been impaled and injected with liquified Kryptonite.
Then there's where he was heavily bombarded by red solar energy from the Sun-Eater, then exposed to more when actually going INSIDE the Sun-Eater, and still endured part of an explosion equal to 50 supernovas relatively unharmed. Ignore Carver's claims that this was "made-up" because he took "And the moral of the story is--" as literal that Jonathon Kent made it up.
And there's other examples as well. But all the focus is on Superman being weakened, Surfer wins. What about Surfer being weakened? I've heard about Firestar messing with Surfer's Power Cosmic, Superman can produce microwaves as well, for example.
And how is it Superman knows about this? Well, he doesn't. But why is it Surfer gets to know weaknesses to exploit for Superman? His "Cosmic Awareness" isn't a legit argument. Like when you(I think it was you) tried arguing Surfer would just know about Kryptonite because of an instance of him encountering Gladiator. I've seen the scan, and it doesn't back what people claim. It does not state that Surfer's Cosmic Awareness made him know, he simply states he's aware of Gladiator's weakness. Was it the CA? Maybe, but people in the Surfer camp immediately jump to the conclusion, when, well, Surfer travels around the universe. It's perfectly plausible that Surfer could've come across this knowledge. His statement did not imply he "sensed" the weakness, it was just he knew about it.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Meanwhile, he still has to put up a fight against Surfer, who will be at full power and can just play "keep away" and fire planet-busters until completion.
This is going under the assumption that Surfer immediately targets Superman. You're basically choosing his opponent because you want to argue Surfer uses weakness exploitation to take-out Superman so then him and Black Adam can team-up against Thor.
Originally posted by abhilegendLaughs and points as you fled the scene here when I exposed you.
I'm not you quan.ermm
Originally posted by abhilegend
In day of judgement spectre owned entire quintessence with a gesture.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Abhilegend is going to get exposed.[B]Zeus was recovering from a war....etc.
They were just cut off from intervening and trapped. They weren't owned in combat and weren't at their best.Here is Spectre cut off from his power source. I wouldn't call this showing from the Spectre anywhere near the top of his game or near dov.
A depowered Spectre still owns the Phantom Stranger from this arc with a gesture. Ps is weak sauce.
I'd like to thank abhilgend for bringing this arc back to my attention it's been quite a while since I read it. 🙂 [/B]
Originally posted by abhilegendDon't present it like you know then. Most of us are debating off memory and aren't in the process of rereading arcs. You want to talk big prepare to be called out.
Meh, I've to reread DOJ again. As always with you, there is some context left behind.
Originally posted by carver9Carver, I really hope you aren't acting like I walked away from you again.
Tell me Quan and don't act like you don't know what I am talking about.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Don't present it like you know then. Most of us are debating off memory and aren't in the process of rereading arcs. You want to talk big prepare to be called out. Carver, I really hope you aren't acting like I walked away from you again.
The real question is... Can a well placed SHAZAM KO THOR...? If so... Team 2 walks these fools. (No offense to the fools) They are all game changers. But, if Adam can KO THOR SHAZAM style this is over relatively quickly. SS and his power cosmic will obtain the knowledge of Superman's issues with kryptonite. That has the potential of a double KO within minutes.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
The real question is... Can a well placed SHAZAM KO THOR...? If so... Team 2 walks these fools. (No offense to the fools) They are all game changers. But, if Adam can KO THOR SHAZAM style this is over relatively quickly. SS and his power cosmic will obtain the knowledge of Superman's issues with kryptonite. That has the potential of a double KO within minutes.
can you clerify what a well placed shazam is??
