Originally posted by quanchi112
Don't present it like you know then. Most of us are debating off memory and aren't in the process of rereading arcs. You want to talk big prepare to be called out. Carver, I really hope you aren't acting like I walked away from you again.
I'm not talking about that...I'm talking about the PM I sent you asking you to help me with something.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
The real question is... Can a well placed SHAZAM KO THOR...? If so... Team 2 walks these fools. (No offense to the fools) They are all game changers. But, if Adam can KO THOR SHAZAM style this is over relatively quickly. SS and his power cosmic will obtain the knowledge of Superman's issues with kryptonite. That has the potential of a double KO within minutes.
Highly doubt it.
Captain Marvel's repeated Shazam barrage didn't KO Eclipso-Superman and Thor's resistance to mystical energy as well as lightning is superior to Superman's. And that's assuming Thor just endures the blast and doesn't absorb it with Mjolnir or recast it back at Adam, turning him into Teth.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Highly doubt it.Captain Marvel's repeated Shazam barrage didn't KO Eclipso-Superman and Thor's resistance to mystical energy as well as lightning is superior to Superman's. And that's assuming Thor just endures the blast and doesn't absorb it with Mjolnir or recast it back at Adam, turning him into Teth.
So who's SHAZAM is stronger? CM's or BA's
Originally posted by Tony Stark
The real question is... Can a well placed SHAZAM KO THOR...? If so... Team 2 walks these fools. (No offense to the fools) They are all game changers. But, if Adam can KO THOR SHAZAM style this is over relatively quickly. SS and his power cosmic will obtain the knowledge of Superman's issues with kryptonite. That has the potential of a double KO within minutes.
There's no proof that Surfer would actually find-out about Kryptonite, and it wouldn't work anyways. Different universe and all that.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I know abhilegend already replied, but here's the full example.ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #480
Read that comic but I couldn't find the one that preceded it. What exactly is the point of red sun radiation if it has no effect whatsoever? At one point, Superman even comments peacefully about how good its rays feel on his back!
I know this wasn't to me, but wouldn't CIS, ya know, BE a character trait that'd stop him from doing a lot of things? I see people all the time arguing against Superman speed-blitzing that it's "not in character" but then have no problem for Surfer doing things I haven't seen him do often.
My point is that Surfer not using powers we know that he could use is PIS, not CIS. I do not argue that Superman won't speed blitz. He doesn't it often, but he has done it several times before. Assuming PIS is off and him fighting to the best of his ability, blitzing is an option.
Same for Surfer, as far as I'm concerned.
What about Surfer being weakened? I've heard about Firestar messing with Surfer's Power Cosmic, Superman can produce microwaves as well, for example.
Interesting idea, but Superman is NOT Firestar. Obviously if merely emitting a lot of microwaves could harm Surfer, he wouldn't be flying through stars and such.
Like when you(I think it was you) tried arguing Surfer would just know about Kryptonite because of an instance of him encountering Gladiator.
Was it the CA? Maybe.
You're right. I looked at the scan too and agree that it proves nothing.
This is going under the assumption that Surfer immediately targets Superman.[/B]
That just seems like the smarter move, since Thor's hammer negates many of Surfer's esoteric powers. I kinda wish we just had a Superman vs Silver Surfer fight now, since BA and Thor have become a distraction.
Originally posted by abhilegend
For power drainage he resisted blackstarr who was effecting time particles with her energy manipulation powers.
I looked into this matter. Blackstar's energy manipulation seems to be nowhere near Surfer's. Also, the scans on that fight are unclear as to whether Blackstar continued to drain Superman the entire time, or if she stopped when she decided instead to do that gravity trick on his neurons.
Actually, resisting that is the more impessive (and completely inexplicable) feat, despite being irrelevant here since only a CIS-off Surfer would use his powers that way.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Read that comic but I couldn't find the one that preceded it. What exactly is the point of red sun radiation if it has no effect whatsoever? At one point, Superman even comments peacefully about how good its rays feel on his back!
It's not that it has NO effect on Superman, it's to show Superman is still fighting despite not only being under a red sun, but thrown in it. And Superman's resistance to red solar radiation has increased since this. Basically, the point is it's not an Instant-Win like so many think. But of course using it at all isn't a great argument since it either has to be them just happening to end-up in a system with a red sun, or you giving Surfer knowledge he doesn't have to attack Superman with it. As for commenting it feels good on his back, well, he said he was like a scalded lobster and he said "from this distance" so that kinda negates your argument.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
My point is that Surfer not using powers we know that he could use is PIS, not CIS. I do not argue that Superman won't speed blitz. He doesn't it often, but he has done it several times before. Assuming PIS is off and him fighting to the best of his ability, blitzing is an optionSame for Surfer, as far as I'm concerned.
I guess we see CIS and PIS differently. But how is it PIS because they don't do something they can do, if they rarely do it? I see people bring-up something Surfer's done once or twice and act like it's a valid argument, that it will be used often. The fact it's only been done once or twice would be CIS, PIS would be not doing something the character almost always does in the situation without explanation.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Interesting idea, but Superman is NOT Firestar. Obviously if merely emitting a lot of microwaves could harm Surfer, he wouldn't be flying through stars and such.
I'm getting this second hand, but I had been told Firestar's microwaves messed with the Power Cosmic. As for Superman is not Firestar, you're right, buuuuuuuuuuut.....
He can projection microwaves via Heat Vision. By the way, not arguing that Superman will resort to f-ing with the Power Cosmic via intense microwaves, but it was brought-up because I'm a little annoyed with people always bringing-up Surfer exploiting Superman's weaknesses even though Surfer has no knowledge of them whatsoever. It actually seems more likely Superman would hurt Surfer with microwaves if they're a normal part of his Heat Vision than Surfer attacking with Kryptonite(which wouldn't work due to being from a different universe) or red solar energy.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
You're right. I looked at the scan too and agree that it proves nothing.
Glad you agree.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
That just seems like the smarter move, since Thor's hammer negates many of Surfer's esoteric powers. I kinda wish we just had a Superman vs Silver Surfer fight now, since BA and Thor have become a distraction.
I would think they'd be more likely to go after the targets they're more familiar with, at least initially.
And if you really wish it were Superman VS Silver Surfer, you could always make your own thread. Or revive one of the I'm sure billion other threads of Superman VS Silver Surfer that have probably been started over the years.
