Superman (Kingdom Come) vs. Doomsday (Hunter/Prey)

Originally posted by Juntai
And yet when he was side by side with the Doomsday from Hunter/Prey after being released from perpetual teleportation during OWAW, possibly one of Superman's biggest biggest stories and when he was possibly at the height of his power post-crisis, he was still in awe of Doomsday.
For all of how strong you believe Superman might have powered up, Doomsday powerscaled right with him.

Even when they do flashbacks to those old moments in comics, those characters are written with more current power as if they had it originally- even though they weren't written that way back then. It's the way comics work.

So are you using Current (before reboot) Doomsday as a reference for HP? Are you sure you want to compare the two?

Originally posted by carver9
So are you using Current (before reboot) Doomsday as a reference for HP? Are you sure you want to compare the two?

Until Imperiex, no blasting or punching would down him, certainly not from Superman who tried many times.

And with no real evidence that KC Superman is stronger than our Superman, there's no reason to believe he could defeat him straight up either.

I suppose you were hoping I'd say yes, so you could break out the scans of Doomsday in Infinite Crisis slapping up Kal El, until he was saved by Kal L, a stronger Superman, and try to conflate that to this.

Doomsday hasn't been the same engine of destruction since Imperiex.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was stunned, his eyes closed and body limp and wasn't even trying to free himself. Usually that happens when you get koed in comics. DD steamrolled a similiar team.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you have to ask why one Superman losing everyone he knows during the story while the other is having a happy-go-lucky day by comparison, and why one might appear to take a single attack better than the other, then your understanding of Superman is very clear; minimal.

We got to see a direct comparison of the two Supermen. Earth 22 is flat out superior. Being more aggressive doesn't change one's durability. Come on, man.

Doomsday is like Captain Marvel and Darkseid when related to Superman; power scales with him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's holding him up. He isn't ko'd.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was stunned, his eyes closed and body limp and wasn't even trying to free himself. Usually that happens when you get koed in comics.

Nah man. He was just napping 'cause dimensional travel causes serious jet lag. 😉

Originally posted by Cogito
Nah man. He was just napping 'cause dimensional travel causes serious jet lag. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no proof he was ko'd Gog just was holding him up. We see earth 22 speaking to him later in the fight. He wasn't ko'd. So if I have nothing to lose and someone swings a crowbar at me I ignore it but if I am in a happy go lucky mood it breaks my jaw. This is some of the worst logic I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.

We got to see a direct comparison of the two Supermen. Earth 22 is flat out superior. Being more aggressive doesn't change one's durability. Come on, man.

This was how strong he really was that even with the help of almost entire JSA he couldn't restrain gog

This is how new earth superman treated gog

You can have one moment where he looked superior but was he certainly so much superior as people want to brag about. No he wasn't.

Before you want to complain that it was a different gog, here's the proof that it was the same gog as "Wrath of gog" and he was defeated by superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
I suppose you were hoping I'd say yes, so you could break out the scans of Doomsday in Infinite Crisis slapping up Kal El, until he was saved by Kal L, a stronger Superman, and try to conflate that to this.

Doomsday hasn't been the same engine of destruction since Imperiex.

Naah, this leaves Doomsday open for even further discussions involving his power level. You are picking and choosing though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Whatever you say quan. He was stunned and remained helpless untill alan saved his ass. How was he stunned

This was how strong he really was that even with the help of almost entire JSA he couldn't restrain gog

This is how new earth superman treated gog

You can have one moment where he looked superior but was he certainly so much superior as people want to brag about. No he wasn't.

Before you want to complain that it was a different gog, here's the proof that it was the same gog as "Wrath of gog" and he was defeated by superman.

Please make your scans bigger. Another thing, Gog snuck attack Earth 22 Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Please make your scans bigger. Another thing, Gog snuck attack Earth 22 Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Whatever you say quan. He was stunned and remained helpless untill alan saved his ass. How was he stunned

This was how strong he really was that even with the help of almost entire JSA he couldn't restrain gog

This is how new earth superman treated gog

You can have one moment where he looked superior but was he certainly so much superior as people want to brag about. No he wasn't.

Before you want to complain that it was a different gog, here's the proof that it was the same gog as "Wrath of gog" and he was defeated by superman.

Gog wasn't powered by third world Gog then. I mean it happened before third world Gog was even created. This is getting rather ridiculous on your part. By your logic Hawkman >>> Earth 22 Superman. It's just ridiculous.

Also why leave out the part where Doomsday interceded on Superman's behalf.

In closing this jsa Gog wasn't empowered by third world Gog once and for all ending this farce you call an argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gog had the upper hand but 22 Superman was in no way close to being ko'd or beaten.

Gog wasn't powered by third world Gog then. I mean it happened before third world Gog was even created. This is getting rather ridiculous on your part. By your logic Hawkman >>> Earth 22 Superman. It's just ridiculous.

Also why leave out the part where Doomsday interceded on Superman's behalf.

In closing this jsa Gog wasn't empowered by third world Gog once and for all ending this farce you call an argument.

Oh quan, how many time you can be wrong

Hawkman broke V&V despero's teeth out. His mace has hurt top tier being. Its not my fault that every character you support starts to suck.

He was poisoned by yellow kryptonite which was destroying his cells. He was being lightheaded approaching match speed.

LOL.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah but kc superman had the help of entire JSA backing him and he was as in-effective as power girl. I would say even karen got a lick or two against gog.

Oh quan, how many time you can be wrong

Hawkman broke V&V despero's teeth out. His mace has hurt top tier being. Its not my fault that every character you support starts to suck.

He was poisoned by yellow kryptonite which was destroying his cells. He was being lightheaded approaching match speed.

LOL.

22 Superman was far more effective in battle than Hawkman. To argue otherwise is being flat out deceitful. I am not saying Hawkman can't hurt top tiers I am saying he's nowhere near 22 Superman in terms of power. Try and keep up. If you are this dishonest I will eat you up and spit you out in our battlezone.

Yes, k-nite is a huge weakness of Superman's. This other Gog used prep and wasn't powered by Third World Gog. You trying to argue they were the same is being dishonest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In closing this jsa Gog wasn't empowered by third world Gog once and for all ending this farce you call an argument.

Originally posted by Galan007
He absolutely WAS. The scans abhilegend posted couldn't be clearer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You trying to twist the truth is flat out terrible. Hawkman isn't anywhere near as powerful as Earth 22 Superman. 22 Superman was at the forefront as this team overwhelmed him.

22 Superman was far more effective in battle than Hawkman. To argue otherwise is being flat out deceitful. I am not saying Hawkman can't hurt top tiers I am saying he's nowhere near 22 Superman in terms of power. Try and keep up. If you are this dishonest I will eat you up and spit you out in our battlezone.

Yes, k-nite is a huge weakness of Superman's. This other Gog used prep and wasn't powered by Third World Gog. You trying to argue they were the same is being dishonest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding me ? The scans make it clear this is a real man who isn't the third world Gog. He's only empowered by third world gog for this story. He didn't exist as a character in Superman 825.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding me ? The scans make it clear this is a real man who isn't the third world Gog. He's only empowered by third world gog for this story. He didn't exist as a character in Superman 825.

You specifically stated: "In closing this jsa Gog wasn't empowered by third world Gog." That is a blatantly incorrect statement, as JSA Gog WAS empowered by 3rd World Gog. In fact, the JSA arc retconned Matthew's entire character history.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂
So now you're trying to compare hawkman to kc superman. Where did I stated that hawkman> KC superman? You are just trying to distract from the real point that there was just one showing where KC superman looked slightly superior to superman. Well good for him, Kal beats gog alone.
LOL, who is trying to compare hawkman with kc superman save you? We'll see quan, we'll see.
You are really priceless quan. I just posted the scans where Gog himself says that matthews always had his power. You wouldn't last for long in our BZ quan.

Ne Superman never faced a third world Gog. Ever. Post the proof third world Gog empowered him. wielding a staff doesn't mean third world gog who didn't exist at the time empowered it.