Superman (Kingdom Come) vs. Doomsday (Hunter/Prey)

Originally posted by Galan007
The f*ck are you talking about?

You specifically stated: "In closing this jsa Gog wasn't empowered by third world Gog." That is a blatantly incorrect statement, as JSA Gog WAS empowered by 3rd World Gog. In fact, the JSA arc retconned Matthew's entire character history.

Events took place since then which changed the dcu. e 22's mere presence altered the course of history so what happened a year or so ago has nothing to do with this third world Gog empowered Gog.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are trying to say Hawkman damaged Jsa Gog but then again so did 22 Superman. 22 Superman didn't look slightly superior he looked mountains above him. Not moving at all as opposed to flying hundreds of feet. That isn't even close and the word slightly doesn't mean what you think it does.

Ne Superman never faced a third world Gog. Ever. Post the proof third world Gog empowered him. wielding a staff doesn't mean third world gog who didn't exist at the time empowered it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Retcons quan, retcons. Should I bring ka-zar fight in every thanos thread?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That didn't change what happened in the past. This man had a different power source for this arc. Gog was coming and this was his follower. That wasn't the case in action 825.

Is this the first time you're read a comic? It's called a RETCON.

The JSA arc very clearly showed Matthew as a normal human being (ie. before he obtained ANY power) obtaining the staff, becoming empowered by the energies of 3rd World Gog, and transforming into Gog. The JSA arc also mentioned Matthew's battle with Superman a year prior. This means Matthew's previous battles as Gog are ALL canon to JSA Gog. abhilegend already posted these scans--it's all there in black and white.

Your inability to accept something as blatant as this retcon is laughable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your scan makes no such retcon. We see history change due to time travel which occurred at the time of 825 and events in the jsa which alter the present. Laughing isn't a retort.

Originally posted by abhilegend
hysterical2

^^Accelerated by my own power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sigh. I tire of this. Gog from the future purposely lost and accelerated Superman's own power tempting him with revenge. You are so dishonest sometimes it hurts. I don't want to drag this out any longer.

^^[B]Accelerated by my own power. [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
His healing you mean. He just removed the yellow kryptonite and accelarted superman's healing. What else would he accelarate? You are trying to pass it like amping? 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend

Originally posted by Juntai
He's detracting from the point, that Matthews is the same guy by retcon.

Originally posted by Juntai
He's detracting from the point

quan doesn't think anyone can see that.

Originally posted by Juntai
Once again, one attack doesn't mean much. The mentallity of the two Superman characters is completely different. KC Superman appeared in Metropolis directly after seeing everyone he knows die.

There's nothing to suggest that once New Earth Superman gets going that he's not every bit as powerful.

It's not a definitive comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if I have nothing to lose and someone swings a crowbar at me I ignore it but if I am in a happy go lucky mood it breaks my jaw. This is some of the worst logic I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.

We got to see a direct comparison of the two Supermen. Earth 22 is flat out superior. Being more aggressive doesn't change one's durability. Come on, man.

Originally posted by Juntai
then your understanding of Superman is very clear; minimal.

A bit of difference an attitude adjustment makes, huh?

Need more examples?

How about Darkseid slapping up Superman in Man of Steel 116, without effort and holding up his limp body during the Imperiex War, and then later Superman returning pissed off over John Henry Irons in Apokolips Now at the conclusion of the Imperiex saga?

Need more examples?

Originally posted by Galan007
Shhh.

quan doesn't think anyone can see that.

Whoa....not a good day to be Quan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
His healing you mean. That's gog of present who at the end swore revenge on superman again, the older gog was at kent farm killing another gog. Future gog just removed the yellow kryptonite and accelarted superman's healing. What else would he accelarate? You are trying to pass it like amping? 😂
Are you backing away from our battlezone? Shame.

Originally posted by Juntai
He's detracting from the point, that Matthews is the same guy by retcon.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's funny that you should use breaking someone's jaw as the marker here, because in his first appearance, Superman had his jaw broken by armored Zod in a similar scenario. Later, Zod proved several times to not be as strong as Superman, between direct confrontation or Zod getting mopped by Imperiex probes, while Superman was cutting through them like paper.

A bit difference an attitude adjustment makes, huh?[/B]

Need more examples?[/B]

How about Darkseid slapping up Superman in Man of Steel 116, without effort and holding up his limp body during the Imperiex War, and then later Superman returning pissed off over John Henry Irons in Apokolips Now?

Need more examples? [/B]

In OWAW Superman never defeated Darkseid but in an he did. Both characters are strong/powerful enough to best the other provided they have the opening or the skill to pull it off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who received his powers from third World Gog after this altercation with Superman. It all falls in line.

So Matthew found a completely different staff, and transformed into a completely different Gog during JSA?

That doesn't sound retarded. srsly

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even if he's transparent as mud.
I mean on panel retcons doesn't mean anything. I would use ka-zar's epic fight with thanos every chance I would get now on.evillaugh