XMen vs JLA

Originally posted by nwg202
well for me even without relying on magik's magic spells or limbo. without the blitz hope and magik can teleport mm into the sun ww, bats aquaman into some obscure dimension etc... its in character for magik at least. it would take less then a second. both hope and magik have great tp resistance. ( not sure if mm can mid rape them) its debatble.

so that leaves the gls and supes while the team dog piles on them. supes in limbo ( which is a highly magical realm will be vulnerable) mm normaly doesn't blitz, thats why aquaman was able to tp the white martian. I only think of flash who blitzes from the start. if he was here..id give the jla the majority for sure.

if they do blitz and hope and magik fall, the x-men have no chance imo. colossus can get bfr'd , no more hell fire or teleporting and dimension dumping against mm, no more magic attacks vs supes. still not sure how they ko danger though( they can bfr her i guess)

Hope absorbed all of utopia but burned out after a short fight. but they say she's getting better. i don't see why she cant get 5 or 6 super powerd guys right now. and still not sure the she can do with the phoenix force.

Why was Aquaman able to tp the white martian?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why was Aquaman able to tp the white martian?

Because MM didn't speedblitz off the bat; had he done so, he may have (arguably) torn through the White Martians, and we would have been bereft of his awesome TP feat.

But I agree with nwg's assesment. Barring a speedblitz, JLA lose.

Originally posted by nwg202
well for me even without relying on magik's magic spells or limbo. without the blitz hope and magik can teleport mm into the sun ww, bats aquaman into some obscure dimension etc... its in character for magik at least. it would take less then a second. both hope and magik have great tp resistance. ( not sure if mm can mid rape them) its debatble. they can also put up disc shields vs physical and energy attacks and redirect them( the energy attacks at least) and the soul sword can carve up wonder woman.

so that leaves the gls and supes while the team dog piles on them. supes in limbo ( which is a highly magical realm will be vulnerable) mm normaly doesn't blitz, thats why aquaman was able to tp the white martian. I only think of flash who blitzes from the start. if he was here..id give the jla the majority for sure.

if they do blitz and hope and magik fall, the x-men have no chance imo. colossus can get bfr'd , no more hell fire or teleporting and dimension dumping against mm, no more magic attacks vs supes. still not sure how they ko danger though( they can bfr her i guess)

Hope absorbed all of utopia but burned out after a short fight. but they say she's getting better. i don't see why she cant get 5 or 6 super powerd guys right now. and still not sure the she can do with the phoenix force. She won't be able to get pete's cyttorak amp and magik's sorcery though, since they arn't mutant powers.

im am also curious i think gl's would beat mags but some say mags can control light. Can mags control the gl's light constructs?

is jla/avengers canon?( like photon abosrbing gl's stuff and wonder man breaking the kyle's sheild?) really hard to compare dc and marvel..

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why was Aquaman able to tp the white martian?

well the white martian was busy bragging. lol he was the speedster of the hyperclan.
if everyone blitzed all the time, bats would be dead. ( he was able to take out a couple of martians with a match and a tank of gasoline)

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus7.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus8.jpg

Originally posted by Estacado
Exodus could also bfr with teleportation or just teleport him and others around the field as tactic like he did recently.I think Magneto could mess with GL constructs like when he was messing with Proteus's energies.

Can exodus teleport across dimensions and time as well? or is he more like nightcrawler limited to distance? far greater range then kurt of course.

IIRC Exodus's greatest teleportation feat is when he teleported Neophyte from Avalon(Magneto's space base) to Earth.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6310/teleportation01rg4.jpg

Originally posted by nwg202
well for me even without relying on magik's magic spells or limbo. without the blitz hope and magik can teleport mm into the sun ww, bats aquaman into some obscure dimension etc... its in character for magik at least. it would take less then a second. both hope and magik have great tp resistance. ( not sure if mm can mid rape them) its debatble. they can also put up disc shields vs physical and energy attacks and redirect them( the energy attacks at least) and the soul sword can carve up wonder woman.

so that leaves the gls and supes while the team dog piles on them. supes in limbo ( which is a highly magical realm will be vulnerable) mm normaly doesn't blitz, thats why aquaman was able to tp the white martian. I only think of flash who blitzes from the start. if he was here..id give the jla the majority for sure.

if they do blitz and hope and magik fall, the x-men have no chance imo. colossus can get bfr'd , no more hell fire or teleporting and dimension dumping against mm, no more magic attacks vs supes. still not sure how they ko danger though( they can bfr her i guess)

Hope absorbed all of utopia but burned out after a short fight. but they say she's getting better. i don't see why she cant get 5 or 6 super powerd guys right now. and still not sure the she can do with the phoenix force. She won't be able to get pete's cyttorak amp and magik's sorcery though, since they arn't mutant powers.

im am also curious i think gl's would beat mags but some say mags can control light. Can mags control the gl's light constructs?

is jla/avengers canon?( like photon abosrbing gl's stuff and wonder man breaking the kyle's sheild?) really hard to compare dc and marvel..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because MM didn't speedblitz off the bat; had he done so, he may have (arguably) torn through the White Martians, and we would have been bereft of his awesome TP feat.

But I agree with nwg's assesment. Barring a speedblitz, JLA lose.

Originally posted by nwg202
well the white martian was busy bragging. lol he was the speedster of the hyperclan.
if everyone blitzed all the time, bats would be dead. ( he was able to take out a couple of martians with a match and a tank of gasoline)

Well yeah, blitzing would have kind of robbed the story of any gravitas.

I don't think it means the JLA won't blitz at some point, though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because MM didn't speedblitz off the bat; had he done so, he may have (arguably) torn through the White Martians, and we would have been bereft of his awesome TP feat.

But I agree with nwg's assesment. Barring a speedblitz, JLA lose.

But they wouldn't know, for example, that Hope copies powers (based on the latest showings when she took out the Serpent Society).

Magik DOES seem to BFR more often than not in Uncanny; witness what she did to Sinister's forces. But I agree, abhi; when MM wasn't messing around in Terror Incognita, he speed blitzed White Martian towers worldwide pretty much simultaneously.

Also couldnt Exodus psi drain MM?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they wouldn't know, for example, that Hope copies powers (based on the latest showings when she took out the Serpent Society).

Magik DOES seem to BFR more often than not in Uncanny; witness what she did to Sinister's forces. But I agree, abhi; when MM wasn't messing around in Terror Incognita, he speed blitzed White Martian towers worldwide pretty much simultaneously.

Originally posted by carver9
This is the all powerful XMen group vs the JLA in a closed arena the size of a football field.

Contestants

Magneto
Hope
Magik
Namor
Storm
Exodus (I think he will be joining soon)
Rachel

VS

Martian Manhunter

Who wins?

Oh MM and your shitty showings.

Anyway, ignoring MM's turrible history, the X-Men probably win... maybe?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never count out batman. Superman blitzes too but we're excluding speedblitz here for the sake of this thread.

I never do, but I thought even he would only know what the average Joe would know; and Hope has been pretty much hidden from the world so far. Give him prep, then yes, he'd know and update the others accordingly, but in this encounter? I don't think he would.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I never do, but I thought even he would only know what the average Joe would know; and Hope has been pretty much hidden from the world so far. Give him prep, then yes, he'd know and update the others accordingly, but in this encounter? I don't think he would.

Standard knowledge isn't always just what the average joe knows; it's the most basic facts about a character.

it's how, say, Hal Jordan would know that Ronan has super-strength etc, even though they've never fought.

I think that GLs are good tools in case where them or their teammates are BFR'd. I think they can go and bring them back to the fight.

I rest my case: X-Men don't have the firepower to beat this line-up of the JLA.

Hope with pheonix force? Should solo but she don't have the feats to back it up.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Hope with pheonix force? Should solo but she don't have the feats to back it up.

I think that's the x-men's thing. tremendous potential but usually powered down to fit the usual x-men stuff. kinda like their theme of humanity's destiny to be godlike.

Ex. nate who is now depowered,cable with the virus, wanda classic vs hom wanda, magik regular vs darkchylde, even colossus as jugs has to power down before jugging out, rachel w/ phnx or without, warlock, jean, iceman, darwin etc...and they turn dark when they reach full power. ( they need angst and drama)lol cant be powerful and all american nice guys at the same time.

on paper that's an avatar of the phoenix force, an avatar of cyttorak, a hell lord and sorcerer supreme, well exodus and mags dont have higher forms but are more consistently written as powerhouses since they were villians.

jla are always written as powerhouses.