what is the team going to do to CK to weaken him for the ALE to work? I seriously doubt the ALE would effect a full-powered CK, IF it is to work against him at all. I do not think you can just show up to the battle and chant the ALE, and think you're walking away with a victory against CK...when more times than not he's stronger than the ALE user.
CK and Nekron are not the same or interchangeable. I'd even rank CK above Nekron in terms of significance. Nekron has a weakness, where CK could not mathematically be beaten.
Only because there is possibility of BFR for this fight does the team stand even the slightest chance from my perspective.
CK takes this.LOL at the Chaos King and Nekron comparison.Even if we went for a CK Vs Nekron w/ their respective armies, CK will still dominate him.
CK's amy of 10,000 Gods and Monster that would consist of skyfathers or skyfather level beings Vs Nekron's Black Lantern Corps=CK's army dominates this.
As for capabilities.CK already scared Death away because of absorption.If a cosmic being like Death is not imuune to CK's absorption, then Nekron himself will suffer the same fate.And not to mention the Watcher now backs up CK's absorption of 98.76% of the Multiverse.BFR is the only thing that can beat CK.
Originally posted by Igniz
CK takes this.LOL at the Chaos King and Nekron comparison.Even if we went for a CK Vs Nekron w/ their respective armies, CK will still dominate him.CK's amy of 10,000 Gods and Monster that would consist of skyfathers or skyfather level beings Vs Nekron's Black Lantern Corps=CK's army dominates this.
As for capabilities.CK already scared Death away because of absorption.If a cosmic being like Death is not imuune to CK's absorption, then Nekron himself will suffer the same fate.And not to mention the Watcher now backs up CK's absorption of 98.76% of the Multiverse.BFR is the only thing that can beat CK.
Nobody said they were the same thing.
Originally posted by -Pr-
During Blackest Night he was retconned to be the void that existed "before light". As in, before god created stuff.
Yes but UNLIKE Chaos King, he needs an anchor (this last time it was Black Hand?) to exist outside his realm no? Not to mention he needed the AM to power his battery and hence his troops.
The Chaos King has no such limitation. Chaos King is so far beyond Nekron it isn't even funny. So just because the ALE worked on Nekron, it doesn't mean it would on Chaos King.
I don't get the Nekron hype.
Originally posted by zopzop
Not the same thing. Being "Lord of the Unliving" and being the ACTUAL VOID before the creation event are two completely different things.
CK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nekron.EDIT :
Sentence.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nekron is the void before creation. He is oblivion given form. How is that not the same thing?
Originally posted by Igniz
CK takes this.LOL at the Chaos King and Nekron comparison.Even if we went for a CK Vs Nekron w/ their respective armies, CK will still dominate him.CK's amy of 10,000 Gods and Monster that would consist of skyfathers or skyfather level beings Vs Nekron's Black Lantern Corps=CK's army dominates this.
As for capabilities.CK already scared Death away because of absorption.If a cosmic being like Death is not imuune to CK's absorption, then Nekron himself will suffer the same fate.And not to mention the Watcher now backs up CK's absorption of 98.76% of the Multiverse.BFR is the only thing that can beat CK.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody said they were the same thing.
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Originally posted by zopzop
Yes but UNLIKE Chaos King, he needs an anchor (this last time it was Black Hand?) to exist outside his realm no? Not to mention he needed the AM to power his battery and hence his troops.The Chaos King has no such limitation. Chaos King is so far beyond Nekron it isn't even funny. So just because the ALE worked on Nekron, it doesn't mean it would on Chaos King.
I don't get the Nekron hype.
I don't care about any of that; my point was simply that being the "void before creation" means jack shit in a forum setting, that's all.
Also, he didn't need the AM to power the battery, just a power source in general, which all batteries need.
He's hyped because he's mega powerful, and because the Black Lanterns almost took Earth; the most powerful planet in the multiverse.
And getting the hype would generally require the reading of the comic.
Originally posted by zopzop
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You're misquoting me. Same thing as in voids, not power levels.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't care about any of that; my point was simply that being the "void before creation" means jack shit in a forum setting, that's all.Also, he didn't need the AM to power the battery, just a power source in general, which all batteries need.
He's hyped because he's mega powerful, and because the Black Lanterns almost took Earth; the most powerful planet in the multiverse.
The Chaos King took out 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE, not just a planet. Even if you accept the "low" interpretation and go with universe, that's still more than Nekron ever did on panel. This is further bolstered by the fact that he took out the godly and infernal realms in addition to physical reality.
And getting the hype would generally require the reading of the comic.
Since Team DC can't really mount any kind of defense for the character aside from "read the comic" it seems like I'm not missing much and the summaries online are accurate enough.
You're misquoting me. Same thing as in voids, not power levels.
Originally posted by zopzopThe Chaos King took out 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE, not just a planet. Even if you accept the "low" interpretation and go with universe, that's still more than Nekron ever did on panel. This is further bolstered by the fact that he took out the godly and infernal realms in addition to physical reality.
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Since Team DC can't really mount any kind of defense for the character aside from "read the comic" it seems like I'm not missing much and the summaries online are accurate enough.
Ok, but power level means a lot in this fight. And we've seen that Chaos King doesn't have any of the limitations that DC's "void before creation" character Nekron does. [/B]
So?
I was talking about Nekron. If you don't get why he's so hyped, reading the comic might help.
Yes, but Nekron isn't in this fight, so comparing his power level to that of the Chaos King means very little.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was talking about Nekron. If you don't get why he's so hyped, reading the comic might help.
The online summaries seem accurate enough so I'll pass.
Yes, but Nekron isn't in this fight, so comparing his power level to that of the Chaos King means very little.
It helps because just because the ALE worked on a Nekron doesn't mean it will work on CK. We've already seen that despite being "the void before creation" of their respective companies, the CK IS more powerful AND he lacks the limitations Nekron has.
Originally posted by zopzopThe online summaries seem accurate enough so I'll pass.
It helps because just because the ALE worked on a Nekron doesn't mean it will work on CK. We've already seen that despite being "the void before creation" of their respective companies, the CK IS more powerful AND he lacks the limitations Nekron has. [/B]
They weren't accurate though, which led to this discussion going longer than it really needed to.
The ALE didn't work on Nekron. It wasn't used on him. Not during Blackest Night anyway.
Originally posted by -Pr-
They weren't accurate though, which led to this discussion going longer than it really needed to.
But they are though. True or False, Nekron needs an anchor to exist in the universe (outside his realm)? True or False, Nekron needed a power source to power his battery (and hence his army)?
The ALE didn't work on Nekron. It wasn't used on him. Not during Blackest Night anyway.
Why why did you introduce him into this thread?
Originally posted by zopzopBut they are though. True or False, Nekron needs an anchor to exist in the universe (outside his realm)? True or False, Nekron needed a power source to power his battery (and hence his army)?
Why why did you introduce him into this thread? [/B]
He does need an anchor, yes.
Yes, he needed a power source, because he wasn't going to power it himself. It's a limitation that all batteries have. Plus the whole symbolism thing.
I brought him up to respond to the assertion that being the void before creation actually means something, when it doesn't outside of plot points.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He does need an anchor, yes.Yes, he needed a power source, because he wasn't going to power it himself. It's a limitation that all batteries have. Plus the whole symbolism thing.
Excellent. And proves my point. The online summaries were accurate enough.
I brought him up to respond to the assertion that being the void before creation actually means something, when it doesn't outside of plot points.
In Marvel it sure does. It means he preexisted before the Abstracts themselves (and the Concepts they represent) and what would the ALE do to a being that existed BEFORE there was life/death/time/space/etc... He existed BEFORE it came into being (in Marvel terms). Apparently it's not the same in DC.
Originally posted by zopzopExcellent. And proves my point. The online summaries were accurate enough.
In Marvel it sure does. It means he preexisted before the Abstracts themselves (and the Concepts they represent) and what would the ALE do to a being that existed BEFORE there was life/death/time/space/etc... He existed BEFORE it came into being (in Marvel terms). Apparently it's not the same in DC. [/B]
Huh?
Yes, it was. Nekron existed before creation. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything in this match.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Huh?Yes, it was. Nekron existed before creation. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything in this match.
The point being, with Chaos King not Nekron because he has limitations that the Chaos King doesn't, how would the ALE work on a being (Chaos King) that PREDATES the concepts the ALE represents? He existed BEFORE life/death/time/matter/etc... How would it even work on him?
Originally posted by zopzop
The point being, with Chaos King not Nekron because he has limitations that the Chaos King doesn't, how would the ALE work on a being (Chaos King) that PREDATES the concepts the ALE represents? He existed BEFORE life/death/time/matter/etc... How would it even work on him?
Does the Chaos King have free will?
Also, what do said limitations have to do with the ALE?