Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom's mysticism is what puts him over the edge. Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, summoning Mindless Ones, spells capable of damaging top tiers, etc.
Nova tanks the magic blasts
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Nova places Doom in a node that cancels out his magic...
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And casually gets rid of the mindless ones...
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Originally posted by Nihilist
What Sentry would do to Nova means nothing, plus Sentry has no feats saying he'd bust through Novas shields. Lord Marvell only just got through Novas menatl defences, and he (LM) is above Doom.
Sphinx with the 2 KA stones was merging 2 timelines, that alone shows his power was greater the mad Celestials.The complete ease he went through Dooms shields shows the aint all that great combined with speed
Yes, he does.
God knows I phucking despise the Sentry with a passion to darken the very sun itself, but he's powerful as hell and you can't deny it. Shitty character, sure, but when he's operating on a good day, he's easily High Herald or Trans. My point is that using Sentry as a means to discredit or downplay Doom's shield isn't a good example at all. And then you have everything else Doom's shields and armor have taken such as the Infinity Gauntlet, Classic Beyonder, attacks from bonafide heralds beings, etc.
I don't see Nova's speed being much of an overwhelming factor at all against Doom and everything he brings to the table.
I sort of think Magneto has a better chance of besting Nova than Doom does, and people seemed to think that he would lose.
I don't think Doom's shields could hold up to a prolonged assault from Nova and I don't think that Doom's shown enough prowess with any of his offenses to definitively say he could put Nova down more often than not.
Flip side, I don't think Nova's done enough with nodes (that I've seen anyways) to make me believe he could casually cancel out anything Doom tosses his way/throw up in defense.
But yeah, Nova probably takes this the majority.
In a random encounter, it'd be a competitive match. Doom's tech and mysticism and the ease and skill in which he's able to meld them in the midst of battle effectively grants him a power set capable of fighting well outside his perceived weight class. Without BFR, it's even more so competitive, though, given Doom's time platform and teleportation and Nova's own abilities, even with it on, I doubt a BFR would last long enough to count as a win.
I'd give Nova the edge when it comes to sheer firepower, though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankTrans 😂
[B]Yes, he does.God knows I phucking despise the Sentry with a passion to darken the very sun itself, but he's powerful as hell and you can't deny it. Shitty character, sure, but when he's operating on a good day, he's easily High Herald or Trans.
My point is that using Sentry as a means to discredit or downplay Doom's shield isn't a good example at all.Why? Sphinx>>>>>>Sentry, clearly.
And then you have everything else Doom's shields and armor have taken such as the Infinity GauntletYou mean when Thanos greatly depwowerd himself(stated on panel) and was giving the heroes a chance by putting on a show for death.,
Classic BeyonderA pis feat from over 20 odd years ago,
attacks from bonafide heralds beings, etc.Like who?
I don't see Nova's speed being much of an overwhelming factor at all against Doom and everything he brings to the table.Why when Doom isnt able to react to speed of that lvl on a regular.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Trans 😂 Why? Sphinx>>>>>>Sentry, clearly. You mean when Thanos greatly depwowerd himself(stated on panel) and was giving the heroes a chance by putting on a show for death., A pis feat from over 20 odd years ago, Like who?Why when Doom isnt able to react to speed of that lvl on a regular.
Not sure what's funny about it. I may hate the guy, but I can be objective.
Using Sentry as a means to argue that Nova can do the same is faulty. It would be like me saying Doom's shield and armor have endured the Beyonder's power, so Nova stands no chance in hell at breaching his defenses. It's why immediately flocking to High End feats is stupid, especially when it doesn't consistently take Sphinx w/ Ka Stones level power to hurt Nova. The narration clearly stated that his armor and shields saved him from total annhilation. Even holding back or subsconciously wanting to fail or whatever, the blast would have killed Doom, had his armor/shields not been incredibly powerful. Not sure why you're counting the Beyonder feat as PIS but not Nova's, but ok. He's taken blows and attacks from Sentry, Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Magneto, etc.
Because speed gets vastly overrated on the forums for one thing and given his capabilities, Doom could do everything from stop time completely, slow its effect, or reverse it.
Originally posted by ExistereFlip side, I don't think Nova's done enough with nodes (that I've seen anyways) to make me believe he could casually cancel out anything Doom tosses his way/throw up in defense.
The node thing is just something I was kicking around a little bit. I came across it while doing some research for my own writing project how Nodes cancel out wavelengths from the EM spectrum etc. Then I had a flashback to a couple of Nova feats that had always perplexed me. The one where he traps the being of psionic energy inside of a gravity node and the one where he cuts off the magical transmissions to the parasites that were coming from the cancerverse. They never made sense to me until I actually stumbled across what a Node in physics really is. Nova having a sort of hard sci-fi angle, now it all makes sense to me lol.
Having said all of that, I get it that peeps don't necessarily buy into it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBecause he has never done anything to make himself trans, youre only playing him up to aid Dooms cause.
[B]Not sure what's funny about it. I may hate the guy, but I can be objective.
Using Sentry as a means to argue that Nova can do the same is faulty.No its not, Doom couldnt handle Sentry speed thats one of the reasons he got throught the shields.
It would be like me saying Doom's shield and armor have endured the Beyonder's power, so Nova stands no chance in hell at breaching his defenses.Use that if you want everybody knows it was a pis feat.
It's why immediately flocking to High End feats is stupid, especially when it doesn't consistently take Sphinx w/ Ka Stones level power to hurt Nova.To actually bust through his shields it does take a certain lvl of power, beyond what Doom has.
The narration clearly stated that his armor and shields saved him from total annhilation. Even holding back or subsconciously wanting to fail or whatever,It maybe did, as others did survive attack from a depowered Thanos that was taking it easy on the heroes.
the blast would have killed Doom, had his armor/shields not been incredibly powerful.If Thanos wanted to kill him he would have been dead, Thanos even said he death could by arrange if he wanted(another shot at the gauntlet that is)
Not sure why you're counting the Beyonder feat as PIS but not Nova's, but ok.Because Beyonder was pwning Celestial with ease yet Doom is a problem Lol
He's taken blows and attacks from Sentry, Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Magneto, etc.And he hasnt reallly taken any wins from any of them without prep or some form of circumstance.
Because speed gets vastly overrated on the forums for one thing and given his capabilities, Doom could do everything from stop time completely, slow its effect, or reverse it.Nova uses his speed in battle on a regular, its one of his main weapons. Sphinx tried time manip and failed
Originally posted by dmills👆 Yeah, and a lot of that makes sense to me, but it's sort of hard to figure how a node would behave in relation to something like Magneto that doesn't really exist in the real world. Or magic, which is wildly unpredictable and pretty deus ex machina. The concept just hasn't been explored enough in the comic book world for me to be able to place faith in it as a strong counter to top tier energy manipulators.
The node thing is just something I was kicking around a little bit. I came across it while doing some research for my own writing project how Nodes cancel out wavelengths from the EM spectrum etc. Then I had a flashback to a couple of Nova feats that had always perplexed me. The one where he traps the being of psionic energy inside of a gravity node and the one where he cuts off the magical transmissions to the parasites that were coming from the cancerverse. They never made sense to me until I actually stumbled across what a Node in physics really is. Nova having a sort of hard sci-fi angle, now it all makes sense to me lol.Having said all of that, I get it that peeps don't necessarily buy into it.
Originally posted by NihilistThat's pretty blatantly false. Sentry fluctuates wildly, but some of his top feats were breaking the herald/trans barrier.
Because he has never done anything to make himself trans, youre only playing him up to aid Dooms cause.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAgreed.
Not sure what's funny about it. I may hate the guy, but I can be objective.Using Sentry as a means to argue that Nova can do the same is faulty. It would be like me saying Doom's shield and armor have endured the Beyonder's power, so Nova stands no chance in hell at breaching his defenses. It's why immediately flocking to High End feats is stupid, especially when it doesn't consistently take Sphinx w/ Ka Stones level power to hurt Nova. The narration clearly stated that his armor and shields saved him from total annhilation. Even holding back or subsconciously wanting to fail or whatever, the blast would have killed Doom, had his armor/shields not been incredibly powerful. Not sure why you're counting the Beyonder feat as PIS but not Nova's, but ok. He's taken blows and attacks from Sentry, Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Magneto, etc.
Because speed gets vastly overrated on the forums for one thing and given his capabilities, Doom could do everything from stop time completely, slow its effect, or reverse it.
To think that Doom, a character that has no problem challenging, or accepting challenges from characters at ANY level of power, would not regularly be prepared for battling a being with super-speed, is a mistake.
The "speed" argument fails as a serious tool against Doom.
The whole "powerful-fast-strong-flying-space" guy argument falls short as well.
We are talking about Dr. Doom. Basically, a weaponized, armored, flying, super-strong, cruel Reed Richards, with a knack for the mystic arts on-top of it all.
Honestly? Dr. Doom isn't ALWAYS prepared for a fight with somebody like Nova?
Come on.
I mean, if it was somebody with powers that were outside the "norm", there would be possibilities. But, Nova has the standard top-level, hero skill-set.
Dr. Doom has been written to be prepared for anything, anyone, anywhere, any-when.
Nova is run-of-the-mill, square-jaw super hero material.
He goes down.
Nova has feats of taking magic blasts just fine, the crimson bands might be and option, but my money is on Rider placing him in a grav field before Doom does his thing. Not to mention that Rider has the Worldmind backing him and I sure as hell don't see Doom beating Rider in a blasting contest. That'd be like Thor out swimming Namor.
Originally posted by HorrificusNova is run-of-the-mill, square-jaw super hero material.
He goes down.
Clearly hasn't read much Nova.
And as for the super speed argument, the way this generally works is we post scans supporting our positions. So while what you said sounds great, I'd like to see some feats of him countering a speed blitz of sorts.
