Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
As far as I know, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but to travel across space really fast, guys like Gladiator and SS enter hyperspace when they cross the galaxy in seconds. If they are in hyperspace, they can't be throwing punches while they're in there. Superman, on the other hand, is in normal space when he's running or flying super fast. So if he can move his legs that fast, he can throw a punch that fast.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
LOL. Wow. Not sure where you get from my post that hyperspace exists in reality. For the record I also don't believe the dark dimension or the phantom zone exist either. Yeah, in the REAL WORLD, you need to warp space somehow to travel FTL in theory, but not in comic books.And you're really trying to use the physics of string theory and quantum mechanics to explain how Superman can rebuild a city FTL? You're just making yourself look stupid. Here's the simple explantion:
Superman is NOT IN HYPERSPACE WHILE HE'S REBUILDING THE CITY. He's simply moving FTL IN OUR DIMENSION. (yeah, that's impossible in our world, but so is demolecularizing people with a thought, and so is a giant guy in a purple helmet eating a planet. So is breathing and talking in space).
Hehe I misread your post, I thought you said that might be how Hyperspace works in the real world. lol
Buddy what you don't seem to understand that accessing a different dimension doesn't mean Superman is out of phase with the ones he normally exist in. You are in four dimensions right now, Superman (or whoever) simple moves into a higher dimension that allows for the possibility of FTL speed. You are combining two different meanings / interpretations of the word dimension into one and they aren't congruent. We aren't talking about an "alternate dimension" like Asgard or Kun'Lun we are talking about dimensions like Length, Width, Height and Time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you're arguing that a scene that was told by the same narration at which you're holding your whole argument is wrong when it says "I just wish my mind could catch what this helmet is telling me", is it?
You should catch up with some respect threads regarding marvel cosmic characters, asap. You are again mixing real world science with comic world science.So you're saying this isn't an example of superman entering hyperspace?
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersa-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersb-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersc-1.jpg
Did you not read the comic? 😕
His mind couldn't "catch up" because he was disorientated when he hit Earth's gravity and his mind slowed down faster than his body did.
What in those scans do you feel even slightly contradicts what I've said?
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yeah, maybe in the real world you can't go FTL in normal space. Not in comics. How is Superman rebuilding a city faster than light when he's in hyperspace? Hyperspace is another dimension. To be rebuilding a city in this dimension, one would have to BE IN this dimension.
Superman had the aid of something when he wad building a city so its no telling how or what he used to do that ft...for all we know, he could have possibly gained matter manipulating powers while under a blue sun...who knows.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Did you not read the comic? 😕His mind couldn't "catch up" because he was disorientated when he hit Earth's gravity and his mind slowed down faster than his body did.
What in those scans do you feel even slightly contradicts what I've said?
Yeah.
Basically, he's still a rookie getting the hang of it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Did you not read the comic? 😕His mind couldn't "catch up" because he was disorientated when he hit Earth's gravity and his mind slowed down faster than his body did.
What in those scans do you feel even slightly contradicts what I've said?
Here is what hyperspace is for space travellers in comics.
Surfer travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe I missed the page while in hurry.
He was explicitly slower than light those days.Here is what hyperspace is for space travellers in comics.
Surfer travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg
Understandable the motion comic Infinite thing is weird... yet kinda cool.
The fact that he hit Hyperspeed would suggest otherwise.
And those Surfer scans are exactly what I've been talking about, and it's like what CosmicComet just said, you don't need necessarily need FTL reflexes to fly at FTL in space. Silver Surfer picked a direction and started accelerating until he broke the FTL cap and hit Hyper Speed... but his perception of reality didn't increase relative to his speed. In fact it is directly stated in the narrative that everything streaks by them in a blur and they barely have time to comprehend what is happening. Now contrasts that with the Nova example in question. His reaction time and perception was increased at time to match his speed. That is directly stated in the narrative. That's why it's unique among these travel type feats... which is what I've been saying for the past couple of hours.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You don't need anything greater than human level perceptions to travel at lightspeed in space.Space is vast, and light is slow as shit in space.
30+ minutes just to travel the distance from jupiter and earth, depending on their respective positions at the time.
So yeah, mere lightspeed wouldn't be difficult to navigate with in the vastness of space. And it would take speeds significantly, significantly greater than lightspeed for someone to require lightspeed+ perception speed to navigate comfortably.
fixed a grammar typo.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Understandable the motion comic Infinite thing is weird... yet kinda cool.The fact that he hit Hyperspeed would suggest otherwise.
And those Surfer scans are exactly what I've been talking about, and it's like what CosmicComet just said, you don't need necessarily need FTL reflexes to fly at FTL in space. Silver Surfer picked a direction and started accelerating until he broke the FTL cap and hit Hyper Speed... but his perception of reality didn't increase relative to his speed. In fact it is directly stated in the narrative that everything streaks by them in a blur and they barely have time to comprehend what is happening. Now contrasts that with the Nova example in question. His reaction time and perception was increased at time to match his speed. That is directly stated in the narrative. That's why it's unique among these travel type feats... which is what I've been saying for the past couple of hours.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it was cool.
Nope, he was officially under lightspeed.
It would be just another travel feat, just with an explanation how he navigates through the space. I think I would agree to disagree then. It was good to debate with you.
Agreed.
Officially maybe, but he Spider-man'd that shit and turned the dials up to 11 like a mother lifting a car off a baby. Superheros get shit done, limitations be damned. 😎
But the very reason we don't actually travel feats is because they are devoid of reaction time and perception of the character, and often transpire like the one you posted where they just use insanely fast straight line speed without the ability to react. This Nova example is a completely different beast.
I guess that's that then... we agree to disagree.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it was cool.
Nope, he was officially under lightspeed.
It would be just another travel feat, just with an explanation how he navigates through the space. I think I would agree to disagree then. It was good to debate with you.
It would be a travel speed that establishes that he has the reflexes to match his travel speed. Which is why its unique.
Originally posted by Endless MikeThere argument isn't that characters don't have fast reaction times, just that they don't have the reaction time that they would need to operate at lightspeed/travel speed on a normal basis.
You guys are acting like Surfer and others don't have high reaction feats as well...
