Originally posted by Robtard
It is typical for Paulitions to turn a blind eye to his negatives and just focus on the happy parts.To be fair though, it's not just the Paulititions, Obamanauts and Bushwhackers do/did the same thing. Pretty much happens when anyone goes balls-deep for a given politician and loses all objectivity.
A better term than objectivity would be "perspective".
Originally posted by Robtard
It is typical for Paulitions to turn a blind eye to his negatives and just focus on the happy parts.To be fair though, it's not just the Paulititions, Obamanauts and Bushwhackers do/did the same thing. Pretty much happens when anyone goes balls-deep for a given politician and loses all objectivity.
haermm okay
Do you even favor anyone? Any idea at least? Or are you just a citizen taking the ass beating without a voice? Do you have a use?
Originally posted by Mairuzu
haermm okayDo you even favor anyone? Any idea at least? Or are you just a citizen taking the ass beating without a voice? Do you have a use?
Do you feel that being complicit in the electoral process that offers you no true choice whatsoever is a requirement for political opinion and participation?
Which is why I threw in "any ideal at least" in case he favors no candidate at all.
It seems rather funny noticing the abundant amount negative opinions and the lack of any real efficient opinion to measure where one stands. At least to keep an efficient conversation going otherwise it just seems like trolling. stoned
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Which is why I threw in "any ideal at least" in case he favors no candidate at all.It seems rather funny noticing the abundant amount negative opinions and the lack of any real efficient opinion to measure where one stands. At least to keep an efficient conversation going otherwise it just seems like trolling. stoned
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Was using it to express quality stonedRather than wasting time
And how exactly is a conversation efficient or inefficient? Would you point me to an example of an "efficient" opinion or an "efficient" conversation?
Originally posted by Mairuzu
haermm okayDo you even favor anyone? Any idea at least? Or are you just a citizen taking the ass beating without a voice? Do you have a use?
I live in California, which is absurdly Blue, so my vote is basically irrelevant. Just as some states are absurdly Red and I'd be in the same boat should I live in S. Carolina.
So my vote is irrelevant; I accept this reality and why I vote Independent; not because I think any given independent will win, but because I believe the only way we'll have the Republicans and Democrats do what they promise and do the will of the people(and not Corporations/Special Interest groups) is by having a strong 3rd party which can threaten(ie take votes) the other two. Is this close to happening? Nope.
That's what I believe.
Now, how are you not taking an "ass beating" like the rest of us? Cos you shout "Ron Paul, Ron Paul" and go to a few rallies? Get Paul in office; it will be business as usual, remove the blindfold, man. Either party and it's candidates have no reason to do anything different than what they have been, which is ass**** America's citizens out of money and impose. Why? Because they know they have about a 50% chance of gaining office in any given election, no matter what they do.
Originally posted by Robtard
I live in California, which is absurdly Blue, so my vote is basically irrelevant. Just as some states are absurdly Red and I'd be in the same boat should I live in S. Carolina.So my vote is irrelevant; I accept this reality and why I vote Independent; not because I think any given independent will win, but because I believe the only way we'll have the Republicans and Democrats do what they promise and do the will of the people(and not Corporations/Special Interest groups) is by having a strong 3rd party which can threaten(ie take votes) the other two. Is this close to happening? Nope.
That's what I believe.
Now, how are you not taking an "ass beating" like the rest of us? Cos you shout "Ron Paul, Ron Paul"? Get Paul in office; it will be business as usual, remove the blindfold, man. Either party and it's candidates have no reason to do anything different than what they have been, which is ass**** America's citizens out of money and impose. Why? Because they know they have about a 50% chance of gaining office in any given election, no matter what they do.
Your vote in the primary may not be so irrelevant.
I mean, do you have an opinion on what you don't like about the system? Your opinion on the bail outs and on the federal reserve? Are you mad yet?
We're all taking an ass beating my friend. What I try to express isnt solely about a man, it isnt solely about Ron Paul. Its about an idea and how ridiculously far this country has swayed away from that idea. Mainly the constitution and liberty. Now we live in a debt based system. Financial slavery. Its just about exposing this to people out there who have no clue what goes on behind the curtain and it may not be so surprising but theres quite a lot.
Its possibly the main factor as to why Ron gets a lot of support. The idea.
Personally I dont think we need an election, we'll get stuck with Obama again seeing how Romney is nothing but another Goldman Sachs bought candidate most likely to hand Obama a guaranteed reelection. Some sort of revolution is needed to really fix whats ****ing us over.
"Spreading brushfires of freedom in the minds of man."
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think efficient can ever be used to describe an opinion.And how exactly is a conversation efficient or inefficient? Would you point me to an example of an "efficient" opinion or an "efficient" conversation?
Bringing up out dated calims that have already been debunked seems inefficient to me. Close enough to call it trolling. It possibly wasnt even an opinion at all now that I think about it, just a false statement.
Originally posted by MairuzuBringing up out dated calims that have already been debunked seems inefficient to me. Close enough to call it trolling.
A conversation though can't be inefficient because there's no way to quantify what the desired product of a conversation is, or quantify the inputs, or determine what the ideal payout for the inputs is.
And as for opinions...I almost loled when you called an opinion 'inefficient' because it's like saying a turnip is pedantic or that an intuition is baroque.
If you're going to misuse words that's fine, but don't be smug about it.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
[B]Your vote in the primary may not be so irrelevant.I mean, do you have an opinion on what you don't like about the system? Your opinion on the bail outs and on the federal reserve? Are you mad yet?
We're all taking an ass beating my friend. What I try to express isnt solely about a man, it isnt solely about Ron Paul. Its about an idea and how ridiculously far this country has swayed away from that idea. Mainly the constitution and liberty. Now we live in a debt based system. Financial slavery. Its just about exposing this to people out there who have no clue what goes on behind the curtain and it may not be so surprising but theres quite a lot.
Its possibly the main factor as to why Ron gets a lot of support. The idea.
/B]
No, it's utterly irrelevant.
Except that it's corrupt and any politician I vote for to express my ideals won't because he/she owes his/her place to the powers that be and we're all essentially little piggy-banks to be robbed. No, it's fair and working other than that.
Awesome, so you've told them and they know. Considering it's still going to be either corrupt party in office and they have no real reason to do as they promised, what now?
Because his "fvck the system" rhetoric appeals; not that he'd actually fvck the system which he is wholeheartedly a part of, should he win(he won't).
So I'm throwing away my useless Blue-State vote into an Independent, hopefully someday enough people will do the same and we'll have a 3rd that can realistically compete with the two sh!ts we have now. Call me a pessimist.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's utterly irrelevant.Except that it's corrupt and any politician I vote for to express my ideals won't because he/she owes his/her place to the powers that be and we're all essentially little piggy-banks to be robbed. No, it's fair and working other than that.
Awesome, so you've told them and they know. Considering it's still going to be either corrupt party in office and they have no real reason to do as they promised, what now?
Because his "fvck the system" rhetoric appeals; not that he'd actually fvck the system which he is wholeheartedly a part of, should he win(he won't).
So I'm throwing away my useless Blue-State vote into an Independent, hopefully someday enough people will do the same and we'll have a 3rd that can realistically compete with the two sh!ts we have now.
Okay, thats your take on it.
So you give up? Just wait it out?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's not inefficient. A car that gets two miles to the gallon is inefficient. A toilet that uses up an obscene amount of water on each flush (read: pretty much every commercially available toilet in America barring custom/luxury models) is inefficient.A conversation though can't be inefficient because there's no way to quantify what the desired product of a conversation is, or quantify the inputs, or determine what the ideal payout for the inputs is.
And as for opinions...I almost loled when you called an opinion 'inefficient' because it's like saying a turnip is pedantic or that an intuition is baroque.
If you're going to misuse words that's fine, but don't be smug about it.
This convo is inefficient (toward whats being discussed) haermm
So sure it can be. Its not very productive and wasting time for a decent conversation to take place. Sorry you couldn't get a full laugh out of it though, lol.
Opinions will be opinions.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Bringing up out dated calims that have already been debunked seems inefficient to me. Close enough to call it trolling. It possibly wasnt even an opinion at all now that I think about it, just a false statement.
you think that the issue is settled, as opposed to nobody paying any attention any longer, given Paul is an insignificant candidate?