Iruka was the one who telled that Hiruzen was considered the strongest, but beacuse Hiruzen was the Hokage he knewed since childhood but he did not see Hashirama, Tobirama or Minato so beacuse Hiruzen is the only Hokage he knows he speculate he is the strongest. Note: And that was at the beginning of the series and Kishi, I think, wasn't planning to show Hashirama's, Tobirama's and Minato's abilities.
Madara doesn't know any of the other Hokage lol. Except Tsunade I guess. But he does go on about how people called Hashirama the strongest shinobi and how he was so much better than the Kage he is fighting. While using his really good techniques.
Whereas Hiruzen has...wank from Kabuto, who has likened Hashirama to the Sage himself, and Iruka, who is a nobody. He doesn't have many impressive techniques either.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But he does go on about how people called Hashirama the strongest shinobi
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Whereas Hiruzen has...wank from Kabuto, who has likened Hashirama to the Sage himself, and Iruka, who is a nobody. He doesn't have many impressive techniques either.
Besides didn't Kabuto claim that he was closer to the sage than any other character in the war? He doesn't have any Senju- or Uchiha blood running in his veins.
Hizuren is the strongest.
Originally posted by Astner
He was never referred to as the strongest.
http://www.mangadata.com/manga/naruto/576/english/15/
"People called him the strongest shinobi."
Originally posted by Astner
Hashirama was never linked to the sage. Well technically the sage's offsprings became the Uchiha and Senju, but aside from that there's nothing as far as I recall.
http://www.mangadata.com/manga/naruto/575/english/3/
"Fairy Tale just like the Rikudo Senin."
Originally posted by Astner
Besides didn't Kabuto claim that he was closer to the sage than any other character in the war? He doesn't have any Senju- or Uchiha blood running in his veins.
In that he discovered that the Rinnegan evolves from the sharingan.
Originally posted by Astner
Hizuren is the strongest.
Perhaps if you're willing to take the statements of him being so good at face value. I am not. Based solely on the moves Madara is using from Hashirama's moveset, Hashirama is the strongest Hokage. As for fights, Hashirama has a better feat than "beating" two kage level ninja, in that he stopped Madara and Kurama. Hiruzen was unable to handle the Kyuubi when it attacked the village and was waiting for Minato(who doesn't exactly have the most large scaled jutsu) to come and take care of it.
Originally posted by Astner
He was never referred to as the strongest.Hashirama was never linked to the sage. Well technically the sage's offsprings became the Uchiha and Senju, but aside from that there's nothing as far as I recall.
Besides didn't Kabuto claim that he was closer to the sage than any other character in the war? He doesn't have any Senju- or Uchiha blood running in his veins.
Hizuren is the strongest.
EDIT: Damnit Aura.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Man...I wish I could get mangareader working.I still love you DP. <3
What browser do you use?
D'aww.
It's funny, Hiruzen's techs are not really superior to that of the current Kages, with the exception of Dead Demon Seal. Then again, that fight did have Tobirama being wanked, only for Mei and random mooks to repeat his feats. haermm
Originally posted by Astner
I don't know. The same way he blew off Hashirama's leg?
Explosive Tags > Kyuubi?
Sai could beat Madara w/ Kyuubi then.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangadata.com/manga/naruto/576/english/15/"People called him the strongest shinobi."
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangadata.com/manga/naruto/575/english/3/"Fairy Tale just like the Rikudo Senin."
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In that he discovered that the Rinnegan evolves from the sharingan.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Perhaps if you're willing to take the statements of him being so good at face value. I am not. Based solely on the moves Madara is using from Hashirama's moveset, Hashirama is the strongest Hokage. As for fights, Hashirama has a better feat than "beating" two kage level ninja, in that he stopped Madara and Kurama. Hiruzen was unable to handle the Kyuubi when it attacked the village and was waiting for Minato(who doesn't exactly have the most large scaled jutsu) to come and take care of it.
The fact that Hizuren defeated both of the previous kage after they were restored to their true forms should speak for itself. He already defeated Hashirama.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Explosive Tags > Kyuubi?Sai could beat Madara w/ Kyuubi then.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What browser do you use?D'aww.
It's funny, Hiruzen's techs are not really superior to that of the current Kages, with the exception of Dead Demon Seal. Then again, that fight did have Tobirama being wanked, only for Mei and random mooks to repeat his feats. haermm
Firefox.
Tobirama is the weakest hokage in the series lol.
Originally posted by Astner
Then a generation later Hizuren was referred to as the strongest in history.
Why is he the strongest?
Originally posted by Astner
You indicated a genetical connection.
"Likened: the act of comparing similarities."
Originally posted by Astner
This was never explained.
But can be inferred based on this.
Originally posted by Astner
Hizuren only used three techniques in the battle against Hashirama, Tobirama, and Orochimaru. Four if you count the summoning of Enma.
I'm aware. Is one of the main reasons why he is unimpressive.
Originally posted by Astner
The fact that Hizuren defeated both of the previous kage after they were restored to their true forms should speak for itself. He already defeated Hashirama.
It doesn't. Not any more. Before, I'd have agreed. Now that we have a glimpse of Hashirama's real powers, tell me what Hiruzen could do about the pollen? About the untraceable wood clones? About the medical ninjutsu that heals all injuries without needing a hand sign?
Which is more likely: That Hiruzen beat both Hashirama and Tobirama when both were not using their best techniques because he is just that awesome they were scared to or that Orochimaru held them back from using their best techs because he is a bit of an ******* that likes to play with his opponents before beating them? I say the latter, since he does that a lot and it makes more sense.
Originally posted by AstnerNo, but it would blow off Madara's leg.
The Kyuubi would still crush Hiruzen though.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Firefox.Tobirama is the weakest hokage in the series lol.
Upgrade, re-install, or switch to Safari.
Damn Kishi. I want a flashback arc with Tobirama as the star.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Astner, I think its pretty clear that none of us are buying it. We don't put as much stock in those quotes as you do and we don't consider that fight to be any form of proof that he's superior to them.
How can I debate with you when you can't accept that Hizuren is stronger than Hashirama based on that he actually defeated him in combat?
Originally posted by Nephthys
But he didn't. Suiciding isn't my idea of victory.
The reason he sacrificed himself was because they were resurrected with Edo Tensei.
He also had to be conservative with his chakra due to being decrepit, whereas the two other kages were at their best.
And that's ignoring that he had to fight multiple opponents.