Originally posted by carver9
Or something like this..http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
(Which failed to knock out Nul Hulk).
Oh, right...the AMPED Hulk.
Or something like this:
Originally posted by carver9
Or something like this..http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
(Which failed to knock out Nul Hulk).
Oh, right...the AMPED Hulk.
Or something like this:
Originally posted by carver9It was meant to bfr him brah which it did Thors lighting has hurt skyfather level beings when the time calls for it
Or something like this..http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
(Which failed to knock out Nul Hulk).
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Maybe something like this:
If energy, kinetic or otherwise is still energy, the yield that the Hulk survived is greater by several orders of magnitude over what this scan is providing. Or if not why didn't this blast threaten to destroy the world? It wasn't even capable of destroying the nearby town. This blast was focused , which shows it tearing up the ground as well as hitting its intended target. If it was that great, it would have caused more than surface damage on the planet, which it did not. The Hulk would have been a little singed but otherwise fine from it. For it to have put WB Hulk down and out, it would have had to have been greater than what he survived. It was not.
Originally posted by StoicThe same reason Juggernaut's 6.0 ricter scale measured punched don't immediately destroy entire cities everytime he punches the ground.
If energy, kinetic or otherwise is still energy, the yield that the Hulk survived is greater by several orders of magnitude over what this scan is providing. Or if not why didn't this blast threaten to destroy the world? It wasn't even capable of destroying the nearby town. This blast was focused , which shows it tearing up the ground as well as hitting its intended target. If it was that great, it would have caused more than surface damage on the planet, which it did not. The Hulk would have been a little singed but otherwise fine from it. For it to have put WB Hulk down and out, it would have had to have been greater than what he survived. It was not.
The same reason Bor can hit with a blow that could destroy Classic Thor in one blow, the same Thor who can walk in the middle of a sun, yet no real damage gets shown to the environment.
The same reason BRB can destroy a planet yet on Earth his strongest blows barely show any collateral damage.
Because if the writers actually accurately depicted every full powered blow from these people Earth would destroyed every issue. So they tone down the side effects for the shake of not doing that.
Originally posted by Newjak
The same reason Juggernaut's 6.0 ricter scale measured punched don't immediately destroy entire cities everytime he punches the ground.The same reason Bor can hit with a blow that could destroy Classic Thor in one blow, the same Thor who can walk in the middle of a sun, yet no real damage gets shown to the environment.
The same reason BRB can destroy a planet yet on Earth his strongest blows barely show any collateral damage.
Because if the writers actually accurately depicted every full powered blow from these people Earth would destroyed every issue. So they tone down the side effects for the shake of not doing that.
You can attempt to water down what the Hulk survived if you want to, but you will not be able to prove that this blast would kill WB Hulk, or even KO him. Nor can you prove that it was great enough to do more than just singe him. It's not as if the Hulk is depicted taking it up to world breaking levels often, which means that this was a very rare showing of the Hulk in both durability and strength. The fact that the Hulk has survived similar attacks in the past at a much lower level should be proof enough that this blast would do little more than serve to anger him further, and we know what anger does to him. Regardless of this, Merged Hulk was hit by a very intense blast from Thor in the arctic, and it was incapable of putting him away. WB Hulk is on a completely other level.
Thor was not holding back when he hit Merged Hulk either, he was trying to kill him.
Originally posted by StoicWhatever you say and want to pretend man.
You can attempt to water down what the Hulk survived if you want to, but you will not be able to prove that this blast would kill WB Hulk, or even KO him. Nor can you prove that it was great enough to do more than just singe him. It's not as if the Hulk is depicted taking it up to world breaking levels often, which means that this was a very rare showing of the Hulk in both durability and strength. The fact that the Hulk has survived similar attacks in the past at a much lower level should be proof enough that this blast would do little more than serve to anger him further, and we know what anger does to him. Regardless of this, Merged Hulk was hit by a very intense blast from Thor in the arctic, and it was incapable of putting him away. WB Hulk is on a completely other level.Thor was not holding back when he hit Merged Hulk either, he was trying to kill him.
I'm not watering down anything you're the one who assumed the level of power Thor released was directly relational to collateral damage caused which while they are on Earth you might as well throw that notion out the window.
Originally posted by Newjak
Whatever you say and want to pretend man.I'm not watering down anything you're the one who assumed the level of power Thor released was directly relational to collateral damage caused which while they are on Earth you might as well throw that notion out the window.
Well seeing as we are on destructive forces, and them not being able to put the Hulk down at a far lower level, why don't we focus on the blast that took out a nice section of the moon while being directed at the Hulk at a much lower level of power than he was during the Dark Dimension?
If you're attempt was not to water anything down, then you would be able to give an account of exactly how powerful WB Hulk was. You would also not be making claims of that which you don't know, and attempting to make it seem that Thor would win this with a powerful lightning strike, while ignoring a similar strike that failed to put the far inferior Merged Hulk down and out. You and I both know what notion should be tossed out of the window here. The burden of proof lies with you, and this is something that you will fail to prove, because as I said the Hulk has been there, and done that, and it was a weaker Hulk that did it.
Originally posted by StoicThe only thing I tried to prove was the reasoning of you trying to discredit an attack by Thor, or any high level character, based on collateral damage.
Well seeing as we are on destructive forces, and them not being able to put the Hulk down at a far lower level, why don't we focus on the blast that took out a nice section of the moon while being directed at the Hulk at a much lower level of power than he was during the Dark Dimension?If you're attempt was not to water anything down, then you would be able to give an account of exactly how powerful WB Hulk was. You would also not be making claims of that which you don't know, and attempting to make it seem that Thor would win this with a powerful lightning strike, while ignoring a similar strike that failed to put the far inferior Merged Hulk down and out. You and I both know what notion should be tossed out of the window here. The burden of proof lies with you, and this is something that you will fail to prove, because as I said the Hulk has been there, and done that, and it was a weaker Hulk that did it.
Which once again doesn't work when on Earth because attacks that have been described and declared enough power to destroy the world has only maybe damaged a couple of windows.
Originally posted by Newjak
The only thing I tried to prove was the reasoning of you trying to discredit an attack by Thor, or any high level character, based on collateral damage.Which once again doesn't work when on Earth because attacks that have been described and declared enough power to destroy the world has only maybe damaged a couple of windows.
Any other high level character? I never brought up any other character, that was you. I am basing my opinion off of the continuity of the Hulk, and him being able to resist high yield non holding back lightning strikes from Thor, and him being on a far inferior level than he was on in contrast to his world breaking levels.
It is a fact that his level of durability ramped up with his strength, and if we are basing our opinions on continuity, and not favoritism the Hulk would survive this heavy blast without being KO'd.
Regardless of it not being able to work on Marvel Earth, this is a forum debate, and as I pointed out, Thor has hit the Hulk with everything that he had in his tank when they fought in the arctic. That as I pointed out was the Hulk at a far weaker level of strength, which as I also pointed out was also him at a far lower level of durability.
Originally posted by StoicYou used the idea that Thor not creating a world shattering side effect from his attack therefore equated to it not being close to being able to effect Hulk. Therefore that logic would apply to all High End types based on that.
Any other high level character? I never brought up any other character, that was you. I am basing my opinion off of the continuity of the Hulk, and him being able to resist high yield non holding back lightning strikes from Thor, and him being on a far inferior level than he was on in contrast to his world breaking levels.It is a fact that his level of durability ramped up with his strength, and if we are basing our opinions on continuity, and not favoritism the Hulk would survive this heavy blast without being KO'd.
Regardless of it not being able to work on Marvel Earth, this is a forum debate, and as I pointed out, Thor has hit the Hulk with everything that he had in his tank when they fought in the arctic. That as I pointed out was the Hulk at a far weaker level of strength, which as I also pointed out was also him at a far lower level of durability.
Which is false.
Originally posted by Newjak
You used the idea that Thor not creating a world shattering side effect from his attack therefore equated to it not being close to being able to effect Hulk. Therefore that logic would apply to all High End types based on that.Which is false.
No I said that "if energy kinetic or otherwise is still energy, the yield that the Hulk survived is greater by several orders of magnitude over what that scan was providing".
Which was correct.
I also said that "It is a fact that his level of durability ramped up with his strength, and if we are basing our opinions on continuity, and not favoritism the Hulk would survive this heavy blast without being KO'd".
Which was correct.
And "Regardless of it not being able to work on Marvel Earth, this is a forum debate, and as I pointed out, Thor has hit the Hulk with everything that he had in his tank when they fought in the arctic. That as I pointed out was the Hulk at a far weaker level of strength, which as I also pointed out was also him at a far lower level of durability".
Now I'll add that Thor in this thread does not have his hammer, and would appear to be the largest known threat on the field to WB Hulk, who he would likely go after first, and since the Hulk at a far lower level was able to stalemate with Thor while in possession of the hammer, it makes it pretty clear that a Thor without his hammer would be slaughtered by a far superior Hulk, based on continuity, and not blind favoritism.
Originally posted by Newjak
The same reason Juggernaut's 6.0 ricter scale measured punched don't immediately destroy entire cities everytime he punches the ground.The same reason Bor can hit with a blow that could destroy Classic Thor in one blow, the same Thor who can walk in the middle of a sun, yet no real damage gets shown to the environment.
The same reason BRB can destroy a planet yet on Earth his strongest blows barely show any collateral damage.
Because if the writers actually accurately depicted every full powered blow from these people Earth would destroyed every issue. So they tone down the side effects for the shake of not doing that.
This is patently false. Collateral damage is not the only indicator of strength indeed but your reasoning and the examples you used are completely faulty. Bor hitting with a blow that can kill classic Thor would not necessitate the earth falling as a result. Not even close. For him to do so, the blow he hit Thor with would have to be exponentially more powerful than one that would wreck the earth if he actually punched it directly. Thing is you cant even prove he hit him with that level of force let alone anything exponentially beyond that.
Collateral damage isnt the only indicator of the strength of an attack especially since different attacks have different environmental effects (i.e some are more focused, some are wide range, some are concussive, some burn etc) hence the reason i think comparing Thors lightning bolt with the impact Hulk took in HOTM is apples and oranges. However destroying earth =/= destroying earth as sideffect (not even close). If an individual has not done the latter with their full powered attacks it cannot be assumed they can.
Originally posted by Naija boyFirst off you only took my one example.
This is patently false. Collateral damage is not the only indicator of strength indeed but your reasoning and the examples you used are completely faulty. Bor hitting with a blow that can kill classic Thor would not necessitate the earth falling as a result. Not even close. For him to do so, the blow he hit Thor with would have to be exponentially more powerful than one that would wreck the earth if he actually punched it directly. Thing is you cant even prove he hit him with that level of force let alone anything exponentially beyond that.Collateral damage isnt the only indicator of the strength of an attack especially since different attacks have different environmental effects (i.e some are more focused, some are wide range, some are concussive, some burn etc) hence the reason i think comparing Thors lightning bolt with the impact Hulk took in HOTM is apples and oranges. However destroying earth =/= destroying earth as sideffect (not even close). If an individual has not done the latter with their full powered attacks it cannot be assumed they can.
What about the other one involving Juggernaut. HIs hits have been documented as 6.0s on the Ricter Scale. Yet once again everytime he puts his full powered punch into the ground for some reason cities aren't level I wonder why.
Actually we know Thor can take being inside of a Sun, also a Neutron Star.
So for something to be able to obliterate him in one blow would require it to have more force then those. If that kind of force was unleashed on Earth even in a direct blow against Thor it would destroy the planet.
Yet that never happens once again I wonder why?
As for teh rest I hate to tell you this but do you understand the sheer force of power it takes to destroy the planet??? It doesn't matter if that force happens directly to the planet or a mile away the sheer force unleashed will be enough to destroy.
It's like dropping a nuke on a city vs a 100 feet over the city. The city is still gonna be ****ed.
So you can try again.
Originally posted by Newjak
First off you only took my one example.What about the other one involving Juggernaut. HIs hits have been documented as 6.0s on the Ricter Scale. Yet once again everytime he puts his full powered punch into the ground for some reason cities aren't level I wonder why.
Actually we know Thor can take being inside of a Sun, also a Neutron Star.
So for something to be able to obliterate him in one blow would require it to have more force then those. If that kind of force was unleashed on Earth even in a direct blow against Thor it would destroy the planet.
Yet that never happens once again I wonder why?
As for teh rest I hate to tell you this but do you understand the sheer force of power it takes to destroy the planet??? It doesn't matter if that force happens directly to the planet or a mile away the sheer force unleashed will be enough to destroy.
It's like dropping a nuke on a city vs a 100 feet over the city. The city is still gonna be ****ed.
So you can try again.
lol daft. You would first have to show the juggernaut example and show that the specific time he hit, he was hitting with the same force that he hit the time his punch was measured at 6.0 on the richter scale (which is quite honestly not even that high.lol). I ignored that example because the concept and principle behind it was the same as that pointed out in the Thor case.
Furthermore no, For something to down classic Thor in one blow, he wouldnt need to have more "force" than those (lol at the misuse of the term force) That is straight laughable since we know that Thor like everybody else has been portrayed inconsistently over the years and has been downed by MUCH less. Its like saying that because Surfer has stayed inside a blackhole easily and unscathed, anytime he has been hurt, whatever it was must have been exerted more pressure on him than that blackhole.
And no despite you apparent ignorance and silly equivocation between the terms force/power if we are talking about kinetic energy and concussive force then the point of application matters alot. (i.e where the punch lands) It is the same principle that applies to regular blows that applies here.
Trying to equate that to a nuke is just a display of wanton ignorance. Generally, its not the same energy at work (there is some kinetic energy but that is not where the bulk of the damage comes from), and neither is it the same physics principles at work. Furthermore even for nukes where you drop them does matter as there are optimal burst heights in which the blast ranges are maximized. You dont just drop it anywhere and hope for the best. They have their own pricniples that guide the effectiveness of the blast. The same principles however DO not apply when talking about physical collsions and impacts.
I advise you not to try again as
You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. facepalm
Originally posted by Naija boyIt was measured by Banner tech when Juggernaut fought Skaar.
lol daft. You would first have to show the juggernaut example and show that the specific time he hit, he was hitting with the same force that he hit the time his punch was measured at 6.0 on the richter scale (which is quite honestly not even that high.lol). I ignored that example because the concept and principle behind it was the same as that pointed out in the Thor case.Furthermore no, For something to down classic Thor in one blow, he wouldnt need to have more "force" than those (lol at the misuse of the term force) That is straight laughable since we know that Thor like everybody else has been portrayed inconsistently over the years and has been downed by MUCH less. Its like saying that because Surfer has stayed inside a blackhole easily and unscathed, anytime he has been hurt, whatever it was must have been exerted more pressure on him than that blackhole.
And no despite you apparent ignorance and silly equivocation between the terms force/power if we are talking about kinetic energy and concussive force then the point of application matters alot. (i.e where the punch lands) It is the same principle that applies to regular blows that applies here.
Trying to equate that to a nuke is just a display of wanton ignorance. Generally, its not the same energy at work (there is some kinetic energy but that is not where the bulk of the damage comes from), and neither is it the same physics principles at work. Furthermore even for nukes where you drop them does matter as there are optimal burst heights in which the blast ranges are maximized. You dont just drop it anywhere and hope for the best. They have their own pricniples that guide the effectiveness of the blast. The same principles however DO not apply when talking about physical collsions and impacts.
I advise you not to try again as
You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. facepalm
You're right there is a maximized range zone but the point still stands you drop a nuke a 100 feet over the city it's still going to **** the city up, maybe not to its maximum ability but you should get the picture. If you don't believe that then go ahead and test it. Detonate a bomb a 100 feet over your head and see if you're still standing.
As for physical impacts and collisions... if you release enough kinetic force to destroy a planet yes a nearby planet will get messed up if it's only a few miles away cause that is a lot of force/power it doesn't matter what kind it is.
After all there is a reason why if someone nearly hits you, you can still feel it because the force is enough to create a displacement enough push the air.
Originally posted by Starscream MYeah I do think he can. Would you call it PIS if Superman cause survived black holes?
newjak, thor surviving in the sun is PIS if you think about itbeing in the sun is literally like having 1,000,000 nuclear weapons go off on you continuously...you really think thor can do that?
writers who write stuff like that have no idea what being in the sun entails...
Originally posted by Newjak
It was measured by Banner tech when Juggernaut fought Skaar.You're right there is a maximized range zone but the point still stands you drop a nuke a 100 feet over the city it's still going to **** the city up, maybe not to its maximum ability but you should get the picture. If you don't believe that then go ahead and test it. Detonate a bomb a 100 feet over your head and see if you're still standing.
As for physical impacts and collisions... if you release enough kinetic force to destroy a planet yes a nearby planet will get messed up if it's only a few miles away cause that is a lot of force/power it doesn't matter what kind it is.
After all there is a reason why if someone nearly hits you, you can still feel it because the force is enough to create a displacement enough push the air.
facepalm. I dont need to know who it was measured by. But for your laughable line of reasoning to retain any bit of sense, you would need to show and prove the time when juggernaut hit the ground with the exact same amount fo force the result on the environment was as underwhelming as you claim. You cant and you havent. Therefore the point is invalid
Furthermore your nuclear point is even more invalid because you brought it up while trying to equate the principles of nuclear detonation with those of physical collissions. I pointed out that your post portrayed a poor understanding of the maximization principles behind nuclear detonations but that even then it was NOT at all analogous to those behind physical impacts. Not even close. Hence the point doesnt stand, never stood, and never will as it is nonsensical and downright ignorant.
Additionally no. There is a clear distinction that exists between an impact being enough to destroy a planet by directly acting upon it, and an impact being enough to destroy a planet and nearby things when not even directly acting upon it. Trying to equate them and saying they are within the same class or even remotely close by trying to rationalize in nuclear detonation is stupid. I mean what a mess of terrible reasoning
when a person nearly hits, if its close enough, you could feel some air pressure. However, it wouldnt be more than a tickle. conversely if the person had actually hit you you could have been knocked out. The kinetic energy that has acted upon you is thus far far less in the former than in the latter. This is not even arguable. Why do you think people dodge punches not just stand there and take them? That you think using such an example supports your case is baffling.
You really have no flippin idea what you are talking about and yet you unshamedly go on on with the same nonsense. yikes.