Worldbreaker Hulk vs Gods

Originally posted by Naija boy
facepalm. I dont need to know who it was measured by. But for your laughable line of reasoning to retain any bit of sense, you would need to show and prove the time when juggernaut hit the ground with the exact same amount fo force the result on the environment was as underwhelming as you claim. You cant and you havent. Therefore the point is invalid

Furthermore your nuclear point is even more invalid because you brought it up while trying to equate the principles of nuclear detonation with those of physical collissions. I pointed out that your post portrayed a poor understanding of the maximization principles behind nuclear detonations but that even then it was NOT at all analogous to those behind physical impacts. Not even close. Hence the point doesnt stand, never stood, and never will as it is nonsensical and downright ignorant.

Additionally no. There is a clear distinction that exists between an impact being enough to destroy a planet by directly acting upon it, and an impact being enough to destroy a planet and nearby things when not even directly acting upon it. Trying to equate them and saying they are within the same class or even remotely close by trying to rationalize in nuclear detonation is stupid. I mean what a mess of terrible reasoning

when a person nearly hits, if its close enough, you could feel some air pressure. However, it wouldnt be more than a tickle. conversely if the person had actually hit you you could have been knocked out. The kinetic energy that has acted upon you is thus far far less in the former than in the latter. This is not even arguable. Why do you think people dodge punches not just stand there and take them? That you think using such an example supports your case is baffling.

You really have no flippin idea what you are talking about and yet you unshamedly go on on with the same nonsense. yikes.

I also noted BRB breaking a planet yet him unleashing his strongest blows on Earth do nothing.

As for the rest it is a a good comparison. You equate that a blow that is strong enough to act upon a planet would not in turn be strong enough to effect a planet only a few miles away. The explosion part becomes even more important when you realize Hulk's feat was an explosion when two objects collide, Hulk and She Rulk's fist.

So do you honestly think releasing a planetary level explosion, even if it's only strictly kinetic energy going out, miles away from a planet wouldn't destroy said planet?

If you say yes then you're an idiot

Originally posted by Newjak

If you say yes then you're an idiot

Originally posted by Starscream M
reported 😐

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh I'm sorry I didn't hide an insult under a thinly veiled statement and emoticon 😐

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh I'm sorry I don't actually need to prove or show anything to you. If you have a problem Juggernaut hitting 6.0 on the Ricter Scale and yet not causing anywhere near the damage go for it.

I also noted BRB breaking a planet yet him unleashing his strongest blows on Earth do nothing.

As for the rest it is a a good comparison. You equate that a blow that is strong enough to act upon a planet would not in turn be strong enough to effect a planet only a few miles away. The explosion part becomes even more important when you realize Hulk's feat was an explosion when two objects collide, Hulk and She Rulk's fist.

So do you honestly think releasing a planetary level explosion, even if it's only strictly kinetic energy going out, miles away from a planet wouldn't destroy said planet?

If you say yes then you're an idiot

Learn to actually debate/reason/think/comprehend . I have no problem with Juggernaut getting up to 6.0 on the richter scale. That is pretty low anyways. I simply am asking that you prove your point. This would entail you showing juggernaut actually punching the ground with the exact same amount of force in another situation and then having it have the minimal or underwhelming effect on the environment that you have claimed it has. If you cant do this then its an unproven claim. You havent shown this and cant because the claim is false, and are instead are trying to mask your inability to prove your point with inane and irrelevant replies.

BRB broke a planet by ramming into it with full speed in a huge energy beam. It was not at all just a striking feat and so that is invalid as well. It doesnt matter how many examples you use, if you cant understand the basic concept then they will keep failing. idiot

And the rest is not a good comparison at all. Nuclear detonations dont operate by the same physics principles as physical collisions. This is not debatable and it doesnt matter how many times your moronic ass tries to say otherwise. Just look at the idiocy you posted "You equate that a blow that is strong enough to act upon a planet would not in turn be strong enough to effect a planet only a few miles away". I equate that? What the hell does that even mean?lol Get your ass back to special school cause im damn sure they dont let you guys use the internet over there. It would be best for your health and the forums

Firstly planets dont exist a few miles away from each other so this your attempted analogy is off base from the get go. Secondly Hulks feat was NOT an explosion. Hulks fist didnt just collide with She hulks fist and then combust. It was a physical collision which due to the residual kinetic energy that acted on the planet destroyed it caused it (the planet) to explode. This makes sense as the planet (like any) has an explosive core. The core of the feat was however NOT an explosion and came as a direct result of a physical collision which involved Kinetic energy transference between two objects. Hence your attempt to superimpose nuclear bomb detonation mechanics with it is flat out daft. Nuclear bomb mechanics are completely irrelevant. Your ignorance is shameless and your recalcitrance is irritating. Trying to say that oh if you hit hard enough to destroy something, then it is the same as hitting hard enough to destroy that same thing as a side effect is completely insane. The latter does not follow at all and i fear the sanity of anyone who can utilize this type of reasoning.

A planetary level explosion i.e a nuclear bomb powerful enough to destroy a planet if released within reasonable distances (i.e within the atmosphere but perhaps miles above the surface) could still destroy the planet. That is still irrelevant to the issue at hand and will remain so no matter how many times you try to posit it. Because what we are talking about isnt a nuclear attack nor is it some form of explosive detonation. This isnt combustion we are talking about It is a physical collision which has certain rules of physics that guide it. You clearly have no knowledge of them. You have virtually no knowledge of anything that has to do with this issue and are making a damn fool of urself the longer you continue to advocate these asinine thoughts. What a joke. No. what a disgrace.

facepalm

What the heck is going on here? This is simple guys, Thor has had wars with the Hulk at far lower levels, and without his hammer he isn't likely going to be winning against a much more powerful version of the Hulk PERIOD. The fact is that this thread is tailored for the Hulk to win, as Thor would do better on his own and without his little helpers on the side holding him back. In any and all of their battles, Thor has taken it to the Hulk, and vice versa, but, Thor does not have flight in this battle, or his means of focusing the powers at his disposal. With Mjolnir in hand he could shield a charge, but in this case, he would do just as well against WB Hulk as Hercules would, and that is very badly.

Originally posted by Stoic
What the heck is going on here? This is simple guys, Thor has had wars with the Hulk at far lower levels, and without his hammer he isn't likely going to be winning against a much more powerful version of the Hulk PERIOD. The fact is that this thread is tailored for the Hulk to win, as Thor would do better on his own and without his little helpers on the side holding him back. In any and all of their battles, Thor has taken it to the Hulk, and vice versa, but, Thor does not have flight in this battle, or his means of focusing the powers at his disposal. With Mjolnir in hand he could shield a charge, but in this case, he would do just as well against WB Hulk as Hercules would, and that is very badly.

What is going on is that Newjak is actually contending that hitting something and destroying it is = to hitting something else and destroying the same thing as a sideffect. All in an effort to downplay WBH since he has nothing substantive to go off. It is pitiful.

Originally posted by Starscream M
newjak, that was uncalled for...frankly, I will not tolerate you bashing other members. 😐

First off I'm tired of Naiji coming here claiming anything that doesn't confirm with his expected behavior of a feat is automatically stupid which in turn is an insult to the person making it.

He continues to make a case that is completely false. That my points are illogical even though logically there is nothing wrong with my statements.

In this thread a clear distinction was stated on the level of collateral damage being equal to the level of power of a blow, and a direct assessment of an attack's visual look was considered the deciding factor on whether it would hurt WBH.

I showed examples of characters who have large scale attack abilities that while on Earth do not demonstrate those levels visually with what they should be even when stated they are releasing their strongest blows. The cause being that writers can't visually show that while on Earth cause then there wouldn't be much left. Which is a valid statement.

Naj came here trying to state he needed to see certain feats to validate this but anyone who has read comics knows this to be true and each person on this board could probably think of more scenarios then the ones I gave to showcase the same point.

As for the Hulk feat the fact is Naj is looking at one possible way the feat could go while stating that anything else except his points are asinine and stupid once again a veiled insult at the user making the points.

Also the fact that once you get into planetary level power and force you are possibly looking at nuclear reactions taking place cause I'm sure there is enough power there actually cause atoms to split.

Of course that wasn't the point. The point being that simply a concussive force of planetary level, regardless of source, as shown in the HOTM story arc, as seen in multiple scans would still wreck a planet regardless of whether the attack hit the planet directly or started miles away.

Naij has come here and other threads multiple times acting like the foremost expert on logic here and condemning my points as asinine and stupid. With slights against my intellect being called into play. Even though logically my points are valid.

And as demonstrated in other threads with other posters I've been more than willing to discuss topics peacefully and even if me and other posters don't always see eye to eye we at least attain some respect for the others view points.

Naj will simply come in here and act like I couldn't possibly have a clue as to what I'm talking about. To which I say to him

F*ck Off

newjak, how come you haven't posted in the battlezone debate thread yet? 😕

You have no clue what you are talking about Newjak. I actually accepted that collateral damage was not the only indicator of power. I simply pointed out the obvious holes in the examples you used and your laughable line of reasoning which had other implications that were patently false. You got Mad and couldnt make counter arguments to save your life. Sorry if i hurt your feelings

Yours sincerely
Naija boy

Originally posted by Starscream M
newjak, how come you haven't posted in the battlezone debate thread yet? 😕

Plus you see Naij actually took the time and effort to come up with a pretty good opening set of posts so I feel the need to also take time and effort in making my rebuttal.

With the events of this past week the BZ became a low priority on my list of things to get done.

Now I did come on here and make small posts here but there's a difference between making a 5 minute post in a thread and taking the time to go through and detail his points, make counters, and dig up the scans I want to post.

Hopefully this coming week won't be as hectic and I'll be able to devote more time to it, but if that is not the case I won't lose sleep over it.

oh ok, hope everything works out. I know it will be a good debate.

Originally posted by Naija boy
You have no clue what you are talking about Newjak. I actually accepted that collateral damage was not the only indicator of power. I simply pointed out the obvious holes in the examples you used and your laughable line of reasoning which had other implications that were patently false. You got Mad and couldnt make counter arguments to save your life. Sorry if i hurt your feelings

Yours sincerely
Naija boy

You jsut went on and pretty much said nothing other than that the WBH feat is different for some reason, and none of my examples can be used only because the point of origin of the attack was made by fists. But once you get into planetary level acts of power most of the normal rules governing these things tend to go out the window, or in case you didn't know a punch carries more just kinetic energy. It also releases heat, energy. And yes punches backed by planetary levels of force colliding could cause vast shock waves and nearby planets would be destroyed and effected.

As for being hurt this may come as a surprise to you but I don't need your blessing to validate myself. I'm more than open to criticism that's how we grow after all but there's a difference between someone offering criticism and someone stating valid points aren't valid and then insulting someone's intelligence. You should learn the difference professor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
oh ok, hope everything works out. I know it will be a good debate.

I've already looked Naij's posts over and I know pretty much how I'm going to attack it.

Now it's just getting the time and the desire to sit down and write it out.

And find the scans I want.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except you didn't actually make valid counters to the point.

You jsut went on and pretty much said nothing other than that the WBH feat is different for some reason, and none of my examples can be used only because the point of origin of the attack was made by fists. But once you get into planetary level acts of power most of the normal rules governing these things tend to go out the window, or in case you didn't know a punch carries more just kinetic energy. It also releases heat, energy. And yes punches backed by planetary levels of force colliding could cause vast shock waves and nearby planets would be destroyed and effected.

As for being hurt this may come as a surprise to you but I don't need your blessing to validate myself. I'm more than open to criticism that's how we grow after all but there's a difference between someone offering criticism and someone stating valid points aren't valid and then insulting someone's intelligence. You should learn the difference professor.

Please show me any proof that the rules governing the feat went out the window. Thats just you making things up to cover up your nonsense. What a pitiful justification for just pulling things out of your ass. I explained the reason why WBH feat was different from a nuclear explosion. You either are to thickheaded to and understand the reason or are being willfully ignorant. Not my problem. If anything the burden of proof would be on you to show that they are the same and you havent even tried to do that.
As for a punch containing heat, In an inelastic collision, some of the orginal kinetic energy will be transformed into other form i.e heat energy, sound energy etc. However just because it contains heat does not mean that the conditions will resemble those of a nuclear explosion. I mean sheesh. That is a huge logical leap and simply wrong.

Once again im sorry if i hurt your feelings. 🙂 Ive had my fun though. Ill see you in the battlezone thread

hulk's steps caused more damage than 6.0 richters of damage. is there any more you guys need to see before you're convinced?

s.t.e.p.s.

Hulk wins

Originally posted by Starscream M
newjak, thor surviving in the sun is PIS if you think about it

being in the sun is literally like having 1,000,000 nuclear weapons go off on you continuously...you really think thor can do that?

I gave this post double face palm since one isn't enough.At least Thor has the benefit of explanation to why he survived being in the Sun.Thor is after all the son of Gaea(an Elder Goddess) which makes him the half brother of Atum/Demogorge(son of Gaea).

Originally posted by Starscream M
writers who write stuff like that have no idea what being in the sun entails...

At least this one I would probably agree if Jeph Loeb,Matt Fraction and etc are the writers you're talking about.

WBH literally kills them all

Hulk wins.