Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There are other ways to beat him....
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Comicbook stupidity aside, do you honestly think that the Surfer does not have the "tools" to defeat Thanos if he uses his powers creatively and makes use of his speed and flight superiority?
You know, Thanos without comic book shenanigans forcing most fights to be a brawlfest is no joke either. People forget that he has some amount of matter manipulation and pretty potent telepathy, as well as good technology he can use without prep.
So... In a fight with ubernonCISThanos, Silver Surfer is dealing with constant probes and attacks on his mind, Thanos's own matter manipulation, tech like Force Blocks, as well as his dominating physical ability and his incredible output of energy.
Originally posted by zopzop
Like? It won't be TP or anything mind related. It won't be sheer physical power or energy attacks. It won't even be matter manip/reality warping (see Thanos Quest - Part I).Honestly? No. Just look at the horrendous punishment he took at the hands of Odin, Tyrant, and Maker. No Herald level beings are pumping out that level of power. Even the absolute best Herald level DPS, the Godblast, needs time to wind up and fire off. Even assuming it could maim or even kill Thanos, sans shields and whatnot, he could just tp out the way.
4th wall breakage. She Hulk has stepped out of the panel, then tore the comic up, defeating her opponent. She's burnt the comic. Animal Man shrank the comic box around his opponent.
All occurrences have occurred in canon, 616 (or main DC) realities. Sometimes more than once. Buddy is a bit iffy though, will need to check.
Originally posted by zopzop
Like? It won't be TP or anything mind related. It won't be sheer physical power or energy attacks. It won't even be matter manip/reality warping (see Thanos Quest - Part I).Honestly? No. Just look at the horrendous punishment he took at the hands of Odin, Tyrant, and Maker. No Herald level beings are pumping out that level of power. Even the absolute best Herald level DPS, the Godblast, needs time to wind up and fire off. Even assuming it could maim or even kill Thanos, sans shields and whatnot, he could just tp out the way.
Given Surfers excellent feats of matter manipulation, do you believe its beyond the Surfers ability to trigger a fusion reaction (and given that he can cause matter to collapse into sigularities, causing a fusion reaction should be trivial) inside of Thanos's body between his matter and the foreign substances inside his body?
Without PIS being a factor, do you really think Thanos could withstand something like that?
Lets take it a step worse; what if Surfer transmutes a portion of the foreign substances inside Thanos's body into anti-matter (and again, anti-matter can be created a lab with current technology, so this should be trivial to the Surfer as well)...without PIS being a factor (and its off by default in a forum fight), how does Thanos withstand something like that?
See, comicbook stupidity trains you to think of almost all assaults as either a direct energy blast, a punch, kick, or a telepathic attack; Surfer can attack with far more devastating effect without doing any of these...
And the Surfer could potentially attack in this fashion at a very safe distance from Thanos....
Again, without comicbook stupidity forcing the Surfer to fight in ways that are far from optimal for him (given his extremely versatile powerset) the Surfer has every tool needed to put Thanos down...
He just needs a writer to not make him fight like a total idiot when he runs into Thanos...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Given Surfers excellent feats of matter manipulation, do you believe its beyond the Surfers ability to trigger a fusion reaction inside of Thanos's body between his matter and the foreign substances inside his body?Without PIS being a factor, do you really think Thanos could withstand something like that?
Lets take it a step worse; what if Surfer transmutes a portion of the foreign substances inside Thanos's body into anti-matter...without PIS being a factor (and its off by default in a forum fight), how does Thanos withstand something like that?
See, comicbook stupidity trains you to think of almost all assaults as either a direct energy blast, a punch, kick, or a telepathic attack; Surfer can attack with far more devastating effect without doing any of these...
And the Surfer could potentially attack in this fashion at a very safe distance from Thanos....
Again, without comicbook stupidity forcing the Surfer to fight in ways that are far from optimal for him (given his extremely versatile powerset) the Surfer has ever tool needed to put Thanos down...
He just needs a writer to not make him fight like a total idiot when he runs into Thanos...
Problem was, didn't Drax use precisely that attack, i.e. an antimatter mine or some such, and all it did was put him down temporarily? That's the issue here. Yes, there are all sorts of attacks we could throw at him, but the end result would be the same, and he has healed from worse. You need to use an effect that he won't be able to come back from.
Like:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/82/fightoverman3ed8.jpg/
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Problem was, didn't Drax use precisely that attack, i.e. an antimatter mine or some such, and all it did was put him down temporarily? That's the issue here. Yes, there are all sorts of attacks we could throw at him, but the end result would be the same, and he has healed from worse. You need to use an effect that he won't be able to come back from.Like:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/82/fightoverman3ed8.jpg/
Putting him down temporarily is all the Surfer needs here to secure a win...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Given Surfers excellent feats of matter manipulation, do you believe its beyond the Surfers ability to trigger a fusion reaction (and given that he can cause matter to collapse into sigularities, causing a fusion reaction should be trivial) inside of Thanos's body between his matter and the foreign substances inside his body?Without PIS being a factor, do you really think Thanos could withstand something like that?
Lets take it a step worse; what if Surfer transmutes a portion of the foreign substances inside Thanos's body into anti-matter (and again, anti-matter can be created a lab with current technology, so this should be trivial to the Surfer as well)...without PIS being a factor (and its off by default in a forum fight), how does Thanos withstand something like that?
See, comicbook stupidity trains you to think of almost all assaults as either a direct energy blast, a punch, kick, or a telepathic attack; Surfer can attack with far more devastating effect without doing any of these...
And the Surfer could potentially attack in this fashion at a very safe distance from Thanos....
Again, without comicbook stupidity forcing the Surfer to fight in ways that are far from optimal for him (given his extremely versatile powerset) the Surfer has every tool needed to put Thanos down...
He just needs a writer to not make him fight like a total idiot when he runs into Thanos...
But somethings are so ingrained into comic "reality" that they cant' be dismissed as PIS and is considered the norm.
How else do you explain my previous example of beings casually surviving stellar core temperature and pressure (I see you Gladiator) but being KOed or even hampered by storms or lightening (I'm looking at you Thor)?
Fact is, black holes, anti-matter, stellar core pressure and temps, and even absolute zero are meaningless measures of durability (in comics). I'm more impressed when character X can walk away unfazed by Wolverine's claws or a Mjolnir strike than if they can survive a black hole or anti-matter created inside their body.
