Originally posted by iceman24567
Stop seriously just stop
CIS off, in my view, is a character using their powers to their fullest potential. That means Superman is using his speed to it's fullest as well as his other powers. A guy who can rebuild a city in seconds (hammering nails, finding building materials, etc.) is more than capable of throwing 2,000 punches in 1 second. Prove me wrong. The Flash could easily throw 10x that many punches in one second.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisThats not how it works on KMC though obviously you need a kmc refresher course
CIS off, in my view, is a character using their powers to their fullest potential. That means Superman is using his speed to it's fullest as well as his other powers. A guy who can rebuild a city in seconds (hammering nails, finding building materials, etc.) is more than capable of throwing 2,000 punches in 1 second. Prove me wrong. The Flash could easily throw 10x that many punches in one second.
Originally posted by Cogito
While I don't doubt Superman's ability to punch quickly, he does not have the ability to shatter reality on a whim like that.Even if he could, a CIS-off Superman would use the full range of his powers to the maximum extent possible. He still would not casually f*** with reality.
A guy who has lifted infinite weight on multiple occasions, slowed eternity, fastballed mini-black holes, and shattered time and space with his punches while holding back couldn't do it while not holding back?
How about I back off from that and say "He could punch any of these Hulks with 100 planet-shattering punches before any of them could throw one punch"? There, no mention of shattering reality. And considering a single planet-buster KILLED WBH, none of these Hulks are surviving very long against a non-holding back, CIS-less Superman.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisYou realize CIS off doesn't mean we use all high end feats to debate a character right?
A guy who has lifted infinite weight on multiple occasions, slowed eternity, fastballed mini-black holes, and shattered time and space with his punches while holding back couldn't do it while not holding back?
Originally posted by iceman24567
You realize CIS off doesn't mean we use all high end feats to debate a character right?
That's not what I was arguing at all actually. I imagine CIS to mean how someone who had the powers of the character would fight at his maximum potential. Like, if I had the powers of a certain character what would I do? I wouldn't fight like a moron to drag the story out. In other words, if I was thor and I was fighting the Hulk I would immediately BFR him into the sun.
Well clarify to me how CIS off works here then.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Doesn't CIS off just mean the said character loses their moral code and goes for the kill? Not suddenly become some fantasy version of themselves that has never been displayed in comics.And lol @ Superman punching Hulk 2000 times in a second.
Explain why a guy who can rebuild a city in seconds can't punch someone 2,000 times in 1 second. I'd love to hear it. Question: Do you know how many times the Flash can punch in a second? (and yes, I know Superman's not as fast).
I was going to say that Superman gets to 7 and stops, but I think Pillar is actually making a couple of good points here. However, I'm still leaning towards WBH if for no other reason than the fights are back to back with no rest for Superman (not that he would really need it in Pillar's argument though).
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
CIS off, in my view, is a character using their powers to their fullest potential. That means Superman is using his speed to it's fullest as well as his other powers. A guy who can rebuild a city in seconds (hammering nails, finding building materials, etc.) is more than capable of throwing 2,000 punches in 1 second. Prove me wrong. The Flash could easily throw 10x that many punches in one second.
That's how I see CIS-less myself. Like if I was superman I would immediately speed blitz my opponent and hit them 100s of times. He doesn't in comics because they need to have an interesting fight.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Explain why a guy who can rebuild a city in seconds can't punch someone 2,000 times in 1 second. I'd love to hear it. Question: Do you know how many times the Flash can punch in a second? (and yes, I know Superman's not as fast).
Originally posted by The Sorrow
One ambiguous and highly debated high end speed feat for Superman doesn't give you the licence to run rampant throwing asinine statements around such as he continuously hits Hulk with 100's/1000's of reality-breaking punches per second. Utter nonsense.
Throwing 2000 punches is different than attacking a living, breathing foe who is fighting back and he no way in hell is punching Hulk 2000 times before he can react. Speed isn't the be all end all superpower you seem to believe it is.
It is when by feats, one person is slow enough to be a statue to the other.