Originally posted by carver9
It's simple. Here we have Gladiator and Hyperion fighting at nano seconds speed. Can anyone show this for Superman? If you can, this would probably make Quan concede.
I don't know, but whoever designed that male chastity belt that Hyperion wears ought to be banned from comics.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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Most people don't even know who gladiator is.
😠 A lot of people know who Gladiator is, ask Nova.
Originally posted by carver9Why would I concede ?
It's simple. Here we have Gladiator and Hyperion fighting at nano seconds speed. Can anyone show this for Superman? If you can, this would probably make Quan concede.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
True, but he actually does have a specific character written reason why he doesn't.He definitely shouldn't. This is why Flash is a terrible character to write a regular series for because the writers can't believably have him be hit by anyone outside of his speed class---and yet we still have to see it unfortunately.
This is lazy attempt at extending an example. And its a No as well.
Absolutely no one is talking about point A to point B speed. We're talking about reflexes,
Hulk's reflexes are highly enhanced no doubt about it. He's firmly in the the supersonic to lower end hypersonic reflexes/perception speed rate. Which is sufficient for helping him keep up with the likes of Wolverine, who is also super-hypersonic.
Unfortunately, that is leagues below Superman. Superman thinks and reacts in nanoseconds or less. Literally. On-panel.
A nanosecond. Light travels a single foot in a nanosecond. And Superman is on that level of reflexes.
Hulk would literally, literally be a statue in a realistic, non-story bound comic fight.
Just because Hulk and Superman are both famous, does not mean a hypothetical fight has to be close.
That's just the lazy man's take. Unfortunately, feats matter, and the Hulk advocates never seem to able to give a counter for the speed argument at all. It all seems to rely on what they think Superman might do in a comic fight with the Hulk. So basically, it relies on admitting that Superman deliberately chooses to not fight up to his full level and sabotages his own chances, deliberately. So its a hollow way to counter an argument.
And in the end of it all, Hulk matches Superman in limitless strength, and loses to him in most other categories.
Superman wins, [b]decisively
. If Superman doesn't want Hulk to hit him, he WON'T. [/B]
Laws of science and physics in comics generally are totally different to ours, they are similar but only up to a point otherwise you would have horribly broken stories and characters (Wolverine suddenly springs to mind). Speed is no different. On panel showings are what's used against other characters not just feats. This line of thinking leads to chestnuts such as "Superman is 10x stronger than Thor", "Superman hits Hulk 2000 times in a second with reality breaking punches", "PC Superman one-shots Thanos" etc and is wrong.
Fact is speed doesn't trump all in comics as it seems to on KMC or at least with some DC fans, generally there is a trade-off in power when throwing dozens of punches per second than one huge haymaker. Hulk isn't a speedster but he can tag speedsters/superfast objects even at great distances with unerring accuracy, his perception/reactions have been stated as supernatural several times. Stating Supes would never get hit and yet blitz Hulk into submission isn't based on anything I've seen. Mongul is no Hulk. It would give him an advantage as amping would be Hulk's but based on Hulk's history, speed is by no means the deciding factor.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
So does Gladiator, Sentry, Genis, Marvel, Hyperion, Surfer, Nova, Thor etc and yet none have ever completely dominated the Hulk with speed. Hulk has feats exceeding super hypersonic speed btw and can certainly perceive FTL speeds.Laws of science and physics in comics generally are totally different to ours, they are similar but only up to a point otherwise you would have horribly broken stories and characters (Wolverine suddenly springs to mind). Speed is no different. On panel showings are what's used against other characters not just feats. This line of thinking leads to chestnuts such as "Superman is 10x stronger than Thor", "Superman hits Hulk 2000 times in a second with reality breaking punches", "PC Superman one-shots Thanos" etc and is wrong.
Fact is speed doesn't trump all in comics as it seems to on KMC or at least with some DC fans, generally there is a trade-off in power when throwing dozens of punches per second than one huge haymaker. Hulk isn't a speedster but he can tag speedsters/superfast objects even at great distances with unerring accuracy, his perception/reactions have been stated as supernatural several times. Stating Supes would never get hit and yet blitz Hulk into submission isn't based on anything I've seen. Mongul is no Hulk. It would give him an advantage as amping would be Hulk's but based on Hulk's history, speed is by no means the deciding factor.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
So does Gladiator, Sentry, Genis, Marvel, Hyperion, Surfer, Nova, Thor etc and yet none have ever completely dominated the Hulk with speed. Hulk has feats exceeding super hypersonic speed btw and can certainly perceive FTL speeds.Laws of science and physics in comics generally are totally different to ours, they are similar but only up to a point otherwise you would have horribly broken stories and characters (Wolverine suddenly springs to mind). Speed is no different. On panel showings are what's used against other characters not just feats. This line of thinking leads to chestnuts such as "Superman is 10x stronger than Thor", "Superman hits Hulk 2000 times in a second with reality breaking punches", "PC Superman one-shots Thanos" etc and is wrong.
Fact is speed doesn't trump all in comics as it seems to on KMC or at least with some DC fans, generally there is a trade-off in power when throwing dozens of punches per second than one huge haymaker. Hulk isn't a speedster but he can tag speedsters/superfast objects even at great distances with unerring accuracy, his perception/reactions have been stated as supernatural several times. Stating Supes would never get hit and yet blitz Hulk into submission isn't based on anything I've seen. Mongul is no Hulk. It would give him an advantage as amping would be Hulk's but based on Hulk's history, speed is by no means the deciding factor.
This is utterly ridiculous. Hulk tagged speedsters? When? When Sentry flew at him at some unknown speed and he didn't dodge it? No...actually he got hit by it. When has SS unleashed lightning fast punches on him? When has Gladiator? When has hulk shown ANY FTL reaction time?
Also, hitting a speedster doesn't make you a speedster. It's convenient for the Hulk that most heroes tend to "forget" every power they have when they fight him and just slug it out with him. Hell, even ZEUS...A SKYFATHER... slugged it out with him. People (*cough* Pak) who write Hulk stories just love to see him punch things and get punched back. Who wants to read a story where Thor sees the Hulk and instantly BFR's him into the sun? Or Gladiator punches him 200 times and kills him before he can react? But since they forget they can punch FTL, that means Hulk is FTL? Really?
Batman has punched Superman before...I guess by your "logic" he is super fast too, since he "tagged a speedster".
Originally posted by carver9
It's simple. Here we have Gladiator and Hyperion fighting at nano seconds speed. Can anyone show this for Superman? If you can, this would probably make Quan concede.
I am not debating your stance here, nor do I want to open another can of worms, but what's different here as compared to DD when everyone in comics and their mother was saying that he was faster than the flash and yet you still thought he was at normal brick level speed because the artist didn't draw him a hundred times in the same panel? just sayin..
