Originally posted by leonidas
thor pretty much beat this phoenix already. it was the same rachel/phoenix whose power he absorbed and ko'd. if it was the dp in the pic, thor loses every single time.
Funny story about the Rachel/Phoenix vs Thor fight. It seems that event was so PIS ridden that when the writers were called out on it by a reader, they apologized in the letters page "The Hammer Strikes!" :
This was from the letters page of Thor 430.
Originally posted by zopzop
Funny story about the Rachel/Phoenix vs Thor fight. It seems that event was so PIS ridden that when the writers were called out on it by a reader, they apologized in the letters page "The Hammer Strikes!" :
This was from the letters page of Thor 430.
I'd hardly take that as a serious form of apology given similar letters to writers from fans complaining about power levels.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd hardly take that as a serious form of apology given similar letters to writers from fans complaining about power levels.
Go other examples of this happening? Anyway it is what it is, I just thought I would throw that out there. That fight WAS PIS ridden, most honest people would admit that.
Originally posted by zopzop
Go other examples of this happening? Anyway it is what it is, I just thought I would throw that out there. That fight WAS PIS ridden, most honest people would admit that.
Fans have a storied history of writing to the letters pages complaining about how a hero basically got jobbed out and wasn't treated fairly in their opinion, usually with the writer apologizing in a humorous manner. In one issue of F4, a writer complained that Doom got punked too easily, and the writers apologized, swearing vengeance on Doom's behalf. Given that the apology didn't actually state "Hey, we glossed over their power levels and made a horrible mistake" and was just a "sorry!", I personally don't think it was intended to be a legitimate apology to Rachel fans.
Phoenix hosts have been humiliated by less, and this is Rachel we're talking about on top of that. And then you have Thor who has a history of being able to effect beings way outside his paygrade, anyway. Low showing for the PF? Sure. Outright PIS? No.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fans have a storied history of writing to the letters pages complaining about how a hero basically got jobbed out and wasn't treated fairly in their opinion, usually with the writer apologizing in a humorous manner. In one issue of F4, a writer complained that Doom got punked too easily, and the writers apologized, swearing vengeance on Doom's behalf. Given that the apology didn't actually state "Hey, we glossed over their power levels and made a horrible mistake" and was just a "sorry!", I personally don't think it was intended to be a legitimate apology to Rachel fans.Phoenix hosts have been humiliated by less, and this is Rachel we're talking about on top of that. And then you have Thor who has a history of being able to effect beings way outside his paygrade, anyway. Low showing for the PF? Sure. Outright PIS? No.
No trust me, it was PIS, even if you believe Thor should have floored her. The very fact that her psi abilities didn't tip her off that there was something "off" with Juggernaut screams PIS.
Low showing but is in continuity.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fans have a storied history of writing to the letters pages complaining about how a hero basically got jobbed out and wasn't treated fairly in their opinion, usually with the writer apologizing in a humorous manner. In one issue of F4, a writer complained that Doom got punked too easily, and the writers apologized, swearing vengeance on Doom's behalf. Given that the apology didn't actually state "Hey, we glossed over their power levels and made a horrible mistake" and was just a "sorry!", I personally don't think it was intended to be a legitimate apology to Rachel fans.Phoenix hosts have been humiliated by less, and this is Rachel we're talking about on top of that. And then you have Thor who has a history of being able to effect beings way outside his paygrade, anyway. Low showing for the PF? Sure. Outright PIS? No.
rachel was all over the place in terms of showings in that series. if this were a straight rachel vs thor, i'd say it could go either way for sure, though i'd give rachel the definite edge in power. her character was simply too inconsistent imo. if we label the thor feat pis we have to label a lot of her other showings as such but i don't like doing that. she simply wasn't very stable. spiral also one-shotted her with her own power exactly as thor did.
Originally posted by leonidas
rachel was all over the place in terms of showings in that series. if this were a straight rachel vs thor, i'd say it could go either way for sure, though i'd give rachel the definite edge in power. her character was simply too inconsistent imo. if we label the thor feat pis we have to label a lot of her other showings as such but i don't like doing that. she simply wasn't very stable. spiral also one-shotted her with her own power exactly as thor did.
It's not just the one shotting that's being called out as PIS. It's the fact that one of the most powerful TELEPATHS on the planet couldn't figure out that there was something off about the "Juggernaut" she was fighting.
well, stalemated may be a little stretch, but g certainly didn't give any indication that he could simply walk in and take her. her high showings were pretty ridiculous (she went off against even the classic beyonder), but she had a few less-than showings as well. that's what happens when you put what should be a cosmic character on a team. :/
Originally posted by leonidas👆
well, stalemated may be a little stretch, but g certainly didn't give any indication that he could simply walk in and take her. her high showings were pretty ridiculous (she went off against even the classic beyonder), but she had a few less-than showings as well. that's what happens when you put what should be a cosmic character on a team. :/
Originally posted by zopzop
It's not just the one shotting that's being called out as PIS. It's the fact that one of the most powerful TELEPATHS on the planet couldn't figure out that there was something off about the "Juggernaut" she was fighting.
i get that. but she failed to use her tp frequently in that series. she was brutally written down at times. realistically it was assinine putting her on a team where she should easily have been able to deal with pretty well any threat solo.
Originally posted by leonidas
i get that. but she failed to use her tp frequently in that series. she was brutally written down at times. realistically it was assinine putting her on a team where she should easily have been able to deal with pretty well any threat solo.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but some people (me included) thought it was odd she didn't at least sense something was off with the Juggernaut she was fighting.
Originally posted by lilshogun
Phoenix is a peice of $hit. She does not embody the forces of Life or what ever. It is and Avatar of Death and Destruction. Galactus needs to cap that Fire Turkey.
The Phoenix is exactly what you said it isn't. 🤨
You want Big G to deal with her but he's been 1 shot by Rachel already. He better not approach her hungry. That's for sure.
