Originally posted by PhilosophíaNo. This thread had become about your conception of superspeedblitz. Since you're the one who came stomping and romping in here demanding that everybody conform to your point of view. We were talking about superstrength before you showed up. A topic I'm sure you didn't care for since you've already ceded that WBH had clearly surpassed insane levels de to Pak's ludicrous treatment.
Is that what this thread is about, discussing whether or not I analyze fights the same way? Because I don't see the title as being "Are posters consistent in their treatment of Marvel bricks and DC bricks?". All I see is "Superman vs Hulk". You're the one trying to hijack it into something it is not - which is a discussion at length about how objective some posters are or aren't in analyzing matches pertaining to characters that you shove into 'Superman-lite and bricks' categories.Why? Because you have no arguments. And when you don't? You deflect. Deflect into another discussion. Deflect into a discussions about other characters. Other fights. Deflect discussions even about the posters themselves.
Sorry your superspeed argumentation comes up against the same accusations of hypocrisy as it always has. Somehow, DC superbricks get the benefit of the doubt. Marvel superbricks don't. Explain it to me!
Originally posted by PhilosophíaYour diatribe is boring. Always has been. That you can't actually bear down on the issue being shoved in your face only betrays your sensitivity towards the subject. Not my fault. I'll throw it in your face all day, every day, twice on Sundays. How is your conception of superspeedblitzing ever reconciliable when you only ever bring i up against Marvel superbricks?
It's ok. Hulk loses. Stop crying, man up, grow some balls and stop trying to hide that fact by bitching about how people are unfair in other threads. If you're so sure of yourself, go into those other threads involving Gladiator, General Lobo or whomever, and attack the posters' viewpoint there, after it's already been expressed and discussed at length.I won't discuss why Gladiator vs General is a different fight, in a thread that has nothing to do with it. And I won't report you for bait if you make that thread, if that's what you're afraid of.
Yeah, somehow... when it's a Marvel superman-analogue vs a DC superbrick... you're totally ok with discussing this topic. Funny stuff that.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaI just want to know why so many DC fanboys think that superspeedbitzing is a problem only for Marvel superbricks. How many backhanded (or overt) bullsh1t excuses are we hearing in this thread about DC superbricks? They have superspeed? Seriously? Nanosecond/picosecond, etc.? The same levels you demand of Marvel superbricks when they have even less feats than Marvel superbricks?
So you don't think Superman is too fast for Hulk? Is that why you're going a tirade of "SAY THE SAME IN GLADIATOR VS GENERAL HYPOCRITES!!", because you think Hulk is at that level? Ha. Dumby, how I love reading your moronics.http://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1156151/shocked-spit-out-drink-o.gif
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I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the only one with a sandy vagina here is you.
I noticed that you can't even answer a basic question. Do DC superbricks without independent, quantifiable superspeed get the benefit of the doubt or not? Because you surely don't give Marvel superbricks the benefit of the doubt. You can feel free to deflect onto all the diatribe you want. Question remains. As it does for everyone of you.
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Originally posted by CosmicCometBattlezone you on whether pre-Flashpoint, post-Crisis Superman's flight ability detracts from his strength, i.e., whether he can lift/pull/push less when his flight is turned off.
Didn't care enough to check for typos;I reacted by plainly addressing the faultiness that such an assertion would bring.
You view this;
"You certainly are bitter.
But just to clarify where I stand and have always stood, I absolutely agree that flight adds an ambiguous element to some of Superman's physical feats.
Logically, it HAS to;
Superman pulling the Earth with Hal's construct harness...obviously he's not standing on solid ground pulling the Earth. And his flight comes from some other mysterious part of Kryptonian biology, not his muscles. So what is going on here? Obviously on a purely physical level it is at least a durability feat that his body can withstand the strain of the harness on him pulling the Earth.
The rest of your excuses and insults don't interest me. I'm happy to bully you into the ridiculous corner you've painted yourself into. That you subscribe to this inane idea betrays how far you'll go to undermine a totally different character's strength quotient. Your double standards are retarded. But I'm happy to prove that your arbitrary (farcical evenhandedness) idea of Superman's strength is completely incorrect. So much so, that I'll wipe the taste if it from your mouth.
5-10 posts each. No need to extend it further than that. Short and coherent, unlike your verbal diarrhea which can spew only from your mouth since your anus clearly suffers from post-rape bleeding.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. This thread had become about your conception of superspeedblitz. Since you're the one who came stomping and romping in here demanding that everybody conform to your point of view. We were talking about superstrength before you showed up. A topic I'm sure you didn't care for since you've already ceded that WBH had clearly surpassed insane levels de to Pak's ludicrous treatment.Sorry your superspeed argumentation comes up against the same accusations of hypocrisy as it always has. Somehow, DC superbricks get the benefit of the doubt. Marvel superbricks don't. Explain it to me! Your diatribe is boring. Always has been. That you can't actually bear down on the issue being shoved in your face only betrays your sensitivity towards the subject. Not my fault. I'll throw it in your face all day, every day, twice on Sundays. How is your conception of superspeedblitzing ever reconciliable when you only ever bring i up against Marvel superbricks?
Yeah, somehow... when it's a Marvel superman-analogue vs a DC superbrick... you're totally ok with discussing this topic. Funny stuff that. I just want to know why so many DC fanboys think that superspeedbitzing is a problem only for Marvel superbricks. How many backhanded (or overt) bullsh1t excuses are we hearing in this thread about DC superbricks? They have superspeed? Seriously? Nanosecond/picosecond, etc.? The same levels you demand of Marvel superbricks when they have even less feats than Marvel superbricks?
I noticed that you can't even answer a basic question. Do DC superbricks without independent, quantifiable superspeed get the benefit of the doubt or not? Because you surely don't give Marvel superbricks the benefit of the doubt. You can feel free to deflect onto all the diatribe you want. Question remains. As it does for everyone of you.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBankNo, it doesn't. People have a completely unjustified, unproven double-standard concerning superspeed.
Superspeed in general gets way out of hand on forums anyway, imho.
And it's obvious.
That people can't except how obvious they are going about it is pathetic. Completely pathetic. But constructive discourse won't ever occur without shoving it people's faces it seems. Whatever. I've never been accused of shying away from controversy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The same way people saying that speed doesn't add much in a fight?
It depends on a case by case scenario, obviously. I wouldn't apply an across the board "superspeed trumps everything" line of thought as it depends on how fast someone moves, how they use their speed in combat, if it's in character for them to use it, the reaction time of their opponent, how fast their opponent is in terms of sheer speed, whether or not they have a power or ability that would enable them to do an AoE style attack or nullify the advantage of superspeed in general, etc.
In most cases, I'd say if you're significantly faster than someone, then yes, it's an advantage. But the idea that "speed kills" or that the speedblitz is the be-all end-all of comic book fights? I can't really buy that, especially when comics show us that just being fast in of itself doesn't translate into auto-winning against foes.
I mean, the fact that we've had dozen page debates involving Flash versus abstract beings says it all. And that's without going into the line of thought that Flash or Superman could hit the force of galaxies.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It depends on a case by case scenario, obviously. I wouldn't apply an across the board "superspeed trumps everything" line of thought as it depends on how fast someone moves, how they use their speed in combat, if it's in character for them to use it, the reaction time of their opponent, how fast their opponent is in terms of sheer speed, whether or not they have a power or ability that would enable them to do an AoE style attack or nullify the advantage of superspeed in general, etc.In most cases, I'd say if you're significantly faster than someone, then yes, it's an advantage. But the idea that "speed kills" or that the speedblitz is the be-all end-all of comic book fights? I can't really buy that, especially when comics show us that just being fast in of itself doesn't translate into auto-winning against foes.
I mean, the fact that we've had dozen page debates involving Flash versus abstract beings says it all. And that's without going into the line of thought that Flash or Superman could hit the force of galaxies.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You can certainly do better than read and reference h1a8 and great_dane. Flash is certainly broken beyond repair on forums but there are a lot of people here or on any forum that lowball the hell out of speed. If you think that thor can generate force-fields, summon planetery storms, do dozens of tricks on the same time than yes superman is going to blitz, its simple. This comics shows otherwise isn't a valid excuse because this isn't a comic book. You are certainly better than broad generalisation.
Do better? What do you mean by that? And who do you mean by a lot of people here that lowball speed?
Not sure what Thor has to do with this either.
I'm aware that forum fights aren't comic book fights, but given that these feats come from comics, it defeats the purpose to take a character outside of a comic and then debate them in such a warped manner they cease to be that character and instead resembles just a power set being extrapolated to the nth degree. Again, not sure what me being better than broad generalization means especially when you yourself just cited "a lot of people here or on any forum lowball speed".
I'd like to think that there isn't a mass movement out there to discredit superspeed anymore than there is a mass movement of people out there who believe that speed is the single most important power/attribute a character can have. I don't see how anyone can't look at KMC and see that their are different "camps" and "agendas" and not just one. Because if its one thing I despise about the forum, it's the tired old argument that "character/concept/company _______ is always getting lowballed by them and are the victim" or some other crap.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do better? What do you mean by that? And who do you mean by a lot of people here that lowball speed?Not sure what Thor has to do with this either.
I'm aware that forum fights aren't comic book fights, but given that these feats come from comics, it defeats the purpose to take a character outside of a comic and then debate them in such a warped manner they cease to be that character and instead resembles just a power set being extrapolated to the nth degree. Again, not sure what me being better than broad generalization means especially when you yourself just cited "a lot of people here or on any forum lowball speed".
I'd like to think that there isn't a mass movement out there to discredit superspeed anymore than there is a mass movement of people out there who believe that speed is the single most important power/attribute a character can have. I don't see how anyone can't look at KMC and see that their are different "camps" and "agendas" and not just one. Because if its one thing I despise about the forum, it's the tired old argument that "character/concept/company _______ is always getting lowballed by them and are the victim" or some other crap.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Do I really have to list them?
Just a relative comparison.
Despite that the fact remains that this isn't a comic fight. Funny since you were just arguing with same tactics in World War Thor thread.
I was doing the same thing you did in your post i.e. using a broad generalisation to support my claim.
I know that their are different camps in KMC, but to argue that because some people think that speed is the best power and that's somehow mass consensus lowballing other powers is foolish.
If you want? I don't really care one way or the other.
Everything I argued Thor doing is all stuff he's done on panels and doesn't even cover more esoteric and exotic crap. It's all pretty basic stuff for Thor with a normal mindset, let alone him believing that Earth is responsible for the death of Sif or Jane Foster or something. The fact that some are arguing against Thor summoning extreme weather is ridiculous especially when "comic Thor" does the same shit. But again, not sure what Thor or that specific thread has to do with this at all, really.
My comment wasn't a broad generalization; I used a specific thread in reference.
It's pretty foolish when taken to extremes we've never seen on panel, much less alluded to. I'm not opposed to superspeed being anywhere from an advantage to a huge obstacle to overcome, but its something you sort to have to take case by case as with generally most powers and their applications.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Funnily enough, this time you're doing the same thing just with different powers instead of characters.
How so? Especially when I said:
"I'd like to think that there isn't a mass movement out there to discredit superspeed anymore than there is a mass movement of people out there who believe that speed is the single most important power/attribute a character can have."
For the record, I personally think Superman has the edge over Hulk anyway, let alone in a situation where his love for Lois is put up against Hulk's love for Betty. And yes, I do think his superspeed plays a role in that.
But I don't think Superman is going to easily dismantle Hulk. Tbh, I don't know how anyone objective - or sane - can think that.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'm a pretty well documented Hulk "hater", but I'm also a realist. What Hulk did in that arc was awful, but it was also pretty high end.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you want? I don't really care one way or the other.Everything I argued Thor doing is all stuff he's done on panels and doesn't even cover more esoteric and exotic crap. It's all pretty basic stuff for Thor with a normal mindset, let alone him believing that Earth is responsible for the death of Sif or Jane Foster or something. The fact that some are arguing against Thor summoning extreme weather is ridiculous especially when "comic Thor" does the same shit. But again, not sure what Thor or that specific thread has to do with this at all, really.
My comment wasn't a broad generalization; I used a specific thread in reference.
It's pretty foolish when taken to extremes we've never seen on panel, much less alluded to. I'm not opposed to superspeed being anywhere from an advantage to a huge obstacle to overcome, but its something you sort to have to take case by case as with generally most powers and their applications.
How so? Especially when I said:
"I'd like to think that there isn't a mass movement out there to discredit superspeed anymore than there is a mass movement of people out there who believe that speed is the single most important power/attribute a character can have."
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYes, but Hulk gets pummeled instantly before he even knows he's in a fight. So much so, that you're supposedly pigeonholed into proving up nanosecond speeds for Hulk. You can't do it? Then your opinion is equally ridiculed as much as mine or carver9's.
For the record, I personally think Superman has the edge over Hulk anyway, let alone in a situation where his love for Lois is put up against Hulk's love for Betty. And yes, I do think his superspeed plays a role in that.But I don't think Superman is going to easily dismantle Hulk. Tbh, I don't know how anyone objective - or sane - can think that.
That fact only demonstrates how absolutely people believe in superspeedblitzing. But it's so phucking obvious that Hulk gets beaten up. While the lid closes up tighter than the Virgin Mary's cooch when a Hulk-ripoff, DC superbrick is brought up. Particularly against a Marvel superspeedster with demonstrable nanosecond reflexes.
This isn't phucking hard. It's god damn hypocritical. And blatantly so.
Except for those who believe that DC superbricks who don't demonstrate nanosecond speeds and demand thusly would get equally wrecked by Superman. And for those who believe Gladiator or Hyperion or other Marvel supermen equally wreck such DC superbricks/Marvel superbricks.
I will say this right now: I don't recall ever encountering such a poster on KMC. Prove me wrong and admit to it and I won't call you out. At least you're being consistent. Not an easy endeavor dispelling (what I consider to be warped) conceptions about how superspeed operates.
What I do find easy? Jabbing that lil knife into the ribs of those who flaunt hypocrisies and try to act like the shoe is on the other foot. Phuck that. No, it isn't. Don't even try to pretend. I don't care how entrenched the idea is. It's blatant obviousness doesn't transliterate into logic at all.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Watch out. You're talking about Thor now. Expect to be reported by the backseat mod goon squad for being "off-topic" even though it's your comic sensibilities and standards (as they're applied to all characters) being brought into question.Filthy off-topic monkey. uhuh
