Hulk vs Superman: fighting for love

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good, because its a reaaaaaaly long list and I'm too lazy to do that.
More basic than punching at superspeed? Superman has carried a whole conversation in a fraction of a nanosecond with a lot of moving around, now you're telling me he can't move his arms at that speed? You declare that lowballing of thor ridiculous because "comic thor" does that, but complain about applying superspeed when "comic superman" or "comic flash" have done the same thing? Flash has beaten professor zoom in a picosecond in a fairly lengthy brawl, is it really that ridiculous to demand that people below that speed can't touch him in no PIS or CIS scenario especially since "comic flash" does that all the time?
It was since you tried to use a specific user's post and push it as norm.
Except we've seen flash doing those extremes on panel.
Not really, but more power to you if you think so.

Then you'd likewise agree it'd be a long list if I compromised the opposite viewpoint? Or do you legitimately think that the forum is more predisposed toward the lowballing of speed?

Thing is, Thor's actually done the stuff I've mentioned on panel. I'm not taking one feat and turning it into another pseudo-feat by arguing since he was able to do this action, odds are, he could probably do this. Superman doesn't consistently use his speed in the manner that people claim that he does, not in combat. That's just the reality of it. And the thing is, while your line of logic certainly isn't wrong in assuming if he can move hold a conversation in superspeed then surely he can perform an action much simpler such as punching someone, if you apply that same kind of logic across the board with all powers and abilities, you're standing on a slippery slope.

Like how you somehow brought up what I said about Thor in another thread and continue to reference it when this has nothing to do with Thor?

I, for one, have never, ever seen Flash hit someone with the force of multiple galaxies or fight an abstract being and effortlessly beat the bejeezus out of them. Or take on dozens of high heralds and spite stomp them.

Not really what? Are you saying I'm not adopting the same kind of consistent mindset of powers and how they're used by characters be looked at by a case by case basis instead of generalized?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Watch out. You're talking about Thor now. Expect to be reported by the backseat mod goon squad for being "off-topic" even though it's your comic sensibilities and standards (as they're applied to all characters) being brought into question.

Filthy off-topic monkey. uhuh

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Then you'd likewise agree it'd be a long list if I compromised the opposite viewpoint? Or do you legitimately think that the forum is more predisposed toward the lowballing of speed?

Thing is, Thor's actually done the stuff I've mentioned on panel. I'm not taking one feat and turning it into another pseudo-feat by arguing since he was able to do this action, odds are, he could probably do this. Superman doesn't consistently use his speed in the manner that people claim that he does, not in combat. That's just the reality of it. And the thing is, while your line of logic certainly isn't wrong in assuming if he can move hold a conversation in superspeed then surely he can perform an action much simpler such as punching someone, if you apply that same kind of logic across the board with all powers and abilities, you're standing on a slippery slope.

Like how you somehow brought up what I said about Thor in another thread and continue to reference it when this has nothing to do with Thor?

I, for one, have never, ever seen Flash hit someone with the force of multiple galaxies or fight an abstract being and effortlessly beat the bejeezus out of them. Or take on dozens of high heralds and spite stomp them.

Not really what? Are you saying I'm not adopting the same kind of consistent mindset of powers and how they're used by characters be looked at by a case by case basis instead of generalized?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I never denied that, did I?
Thing is speedsters using speed to do regular things isn't separated with something so simlpe as punching. If someone claims that since thor can produce lightning than he can use it to power some appliance then it isn't wrong but if he claims that thor can use it to produce magnetic force since they are related then he is wrong. Punching someone isn't different than moving at superspeed. If its in logical reasoning I don't think why it can't be applied to other powers. And that leads to people claiming that people way slower than him can tag him effortlessely. Superman has used speed more than any character not named flash and citing that he doesn't use it consistently in 4000 issues he appeared post crisis wouldn't change that fact. How about we apply that rule across the board?
I was referencing your post to you, you're referencing h1a8's post to me.
No sane person would claim that flash can hit with the force of galaxies and yes wally has beaten COIE anti monitor.
Speed isn't like strength, durability or other powers no matter how much you deny it. You are either faster or slower and its not that much hard to see that how slower character would have difficulty in tagging a faster character across the board.

Good.

Superman using speed is one thing and something I'm not denying. But I for one haven't seen Superman hit someone over a million times a second or counter vibrate and rip someone's heart out or anything like that. Not sure how my stance is wrong at all. Most of the time when I see Superman fight, he uses speed, but doesn't display the kind of speed needed to make a fight between himself and Hulk for example result in a spite fest like some people think.

Thor has nothing to do with this, though? Me citing h1's views about Flash and Superman and speed in general are revelant to this conversation at hand. Thor on the other hand has no such relevance and there's no real point to be had by constantly bringing him up, nor the WWH/Thor thread unless you want to make a point about me as a poster specifically, in which case, you'd be better off just stating it.

It's a power just like any other, which is what I've been saying all along. And speed in of itself shouldn't get a pass on extrapolation just because its speed. And nowhere in this discussion did I state a slower character wouldn't have difficulty in tagging a faster character. Like I've said before, it should be applied in a case by case basis. How that is me denying anything is beyond me.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Good.

Superman using speed is one thing and something I'm not denying. But I for one haven't seen Superman hit someone over a million times a second or counter vibrate and rip someone's heart out or anything like that. Not sure how my stance is wrong at all. Most of the time when I see Superman fight, he uses speed, but doesn't display the kind of speed needed to make a fight between himself and Hulk for example result in a spite fest like some people think.

Thor has nothing to do with this, though? Me citing h1's views about Flash and Superman and speed in general are revelant to this conversation at hand. Thor on the other hand has no such relevance and there's no real point to be had by constantly bringing him up, nor the WWH/Thor thread unless you want to make a point about me as a poster specifically, in which case, you'd be better off just stating it.

It's a power just like any other, which is what I've been saying all along. And speed in of itself shouldn't get a pass on extrapolation just because its speed. And nowhere in this discussion did I state a slower character wouldn't have difficulty in tagging a faster character. Like I've said before, it should be applied in a case by case basis. How that is me denying anything is beyond me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong. As usual. Get over it. Because his attention span can't remember the first part of my id.

lamo

112 Is as generic as You can get, WTF is a Quan? confused1

This thread went from fun to horrible. I'm not sure whether to close it, warn people, or call in some "special" help. 😬

Most of you have been here long enough to know some debates will never be agreed upon by either side. Hulk vs Superma is one of those debates.

All the snarky comments, red herrings and legerdemain will never change things.

I suggest everybody calm down and stop with the veiled and overt insults.

HULKS anger increases his:
speed
strength
healing
and he can quockle adapt to any environment. Hulk has defeated high end beings like thor,rulk,thanos and onslaught.
As much of a superman fan that I am, Hulk will destroy him. Hulk can use his thunderclap against supes speedblitz.

Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
HULKS anger increases his:
speed
strength
healing
and he can quockle adapt to any environment. Hulk has defeated high end beings like thor,rulk,thanos and onslaught.
As much of a superman fan that I am, Hulk will destroy him. Hulk can use his thunderclap against supes speedblitz.

If You were a Superman "fan" like you claim, you will know that Superman has a more impressive list than the one You cited for Hulk.

So let me doubt your claim of "being a Superman fan"

And that is a weak argument BTW

Originally posted by biensalsa
If You were a Superman "fan" like you claim, you will know that Superman has a more impressive list than the one You cited for Hulk.

So let me doubt your claim of "being a Superman fan"

And that is a weak argument BTW

What's the list.? Without any amps.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Battlezone you on whether pre-Flashpoint, post-Crisis Superman's flight ability detracts from his strength, i.e., whether he can lift/pull/push less when his flight is turned off.

The rest of your excuses and insults don't interest me. I'm happy to bully you into the ridiculous corner you've painted yourself into. That you subscribe to this inane idea betrays how far you'll go to undermine a totally different character's strength quotient. Your double standards are retarded. But I'm happy to prove that your arbitrary (farcical evenhandedness) idea of Superman's strength is completely incorrect. So much so, that I'll wipe the taste if it from your mouth.

5-10 posts each. No need to extend it further than that. Short and coherent, unlike your verbal diarrhea which can spew only from your mouth since your anus clearly suffers from post-rape bleeding.

kinda

My My. Look who decided to show up a week later, and then predictably bring nothing but a meek attempt to get the 'last word', wherein you do nothing to address a single thing I said.

And no, why would I battlezone you on lines that you created yourself, in which I don't align with in the beginning? Seeing as I certainly didn't say his flight 'detracts' from his strength. You didn't actually read a single bit of what I said regarding the role of his flight, did you? You would think, someone like Philo would go out of his way to try spurn me if he thought I was low-balling Supes in some sense, yet he's more or less agreed with my analysis. So please, don't try to deflect again, as if you care about this issue, when the base point of contention is some feeling of disparity you thought was being thrown the Hulk's way.kinda

As for the idea of you trying to convince anyone (trying your best to convince yourself first hand at least) that you 'raped' anyone, well, I can only repeat that your 'delusions are cute'. kinda

Originally posted by carver9
What's the list.? Without any amps.

Wow lil carver, for a person who does not answer questions you sure ask a lot of things.

If you want the list... Um.... You should read some superman comics and get your nose out of hulk tittles for a change, or you want me to do your research and your homework too?

Originally posted by biensalsa
Wow lil carver, for a person who does not answer questions you sure ask a lot of things.

If you want the list... Um.... You should read some superman comics and get your nose out of hulk tittles for a change, or you want me to do your research and your homework too?

Carv is way too busy doing this:

Originally posted by Mshinu
Carv is way too busy doing this:

in carvers defence, That is probably his WWH play

Originally posted by CosmicComet
My My. Look who decided to show up a week later, and then predictably bring nothing but a meek attempt to get the 'last word', wherein you do nothing to address a single thing I said.

And no, why would I battlezone you on lines that you created yourself, in which I don't align with in the beginning? Seeing as I certainly didn't say his flight 'detracts' from his strength. You didn't actually read a single bit of what I said regarding the role of his flight, did you? You would think, someone like Philo would go out of his way to try spurn me if he thought I was low-balling Supes in some sense, yet he's more or less agreed with my analysis. So please, don't try to deflect again, as if you care about this issue, when the base point of contention is some feeling of disparity you thought was being thrown the Hulk's way.kinda

As for the idea of you trying to convince anyone (trying your best to convince yourself first hand at least) that you 'raped' anyone, well, I can only repeat that your 'delusions are cute'. kinda

Carter is getting too much hate lately.

Originally posted by biensalsa
If You were a Superman "fan" like you claim, you will know that Superman has a more impressive list than the one You cited for Hulk.

So let me doubt your claim of "being a Superman fan"

And that is a weak argument BTW

Originally posted by biensalsa
lamo

112 Is as generic as You can get, WTF is a Quan? confused1

Originally posted by Estacado
Carter is getting too much hate lately.

He goes by the name Carter now? 😕

Originally posted by carver9
What's the list.? Without any amps.

So hulk is allowed his amps, but not superman? Fair and balanced as always, carver. 👆

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He goes by the name Carter now? 😕