bump for Operator! Kind of a large fight, so which side seems more uber in the reality warping field?
DC:
Mxy (World's Funnest)
Parallax (Zero Hour)
Hourman 1M
Tim Hunter (Full powered)
Dharma
Max Faraday (Fully Powered)
Bat-Mite
Pandora
Marvel
HOM Wanda
Legion
Franklin (Adult)
Jamie Braddock
Marquis of Death
Molecule Man
Proteus
Mad Jim Jaspers
Originally posted by Golgo13Yes, she definitely isn't depicted as an uber cosmic entity. However, her(and Barry's) feat of recreating the DC continuum was much greater than I gave it credit for in this thread.
Do you still believe she is the weakest character currently?
Curious to see the upgrade, though. 👆
Originally posted by hunbu04
Galan are you trying to say Vertigo, Wildstorm and main DCU just timelime because the last time I check they were 3 different Multiverses part of DC Omniverse
^ Flashpoint specifically portrayed them as separate continuities.
Originally posted by Golgo13
bump for Operator! Kind of a large fight, so which side seems more uber in the reality warping field?[b]DC:
Mxy (World's Funnest)
Parallax (Zero Hour)
Hourman 1M
Tim Hunter (Full powered)
Dharma
Max Faraday (Fully Powered)
Bat-Mite
PandoraMarvel
HOM Wanda
Legion
Franklin (Adult)
Jamie Braddock
Marquis of Death
Molecule Man
Proteus
Mad Jim Jaspers [/B]
Battle-wise Mxy is well above everyone here except Owen, who even in his post-retcon form was able to achieve omniversal feats (but the down-side to him, is that he's established to be below abstracts who are <<< Mxy). And sure, HoM Wanda may as well exceed Mxy's power, but in a battle, she'd get stomped (just like someone like Tim, despite having multiversal-level warping abilities, would lose against a universal warper). Next comes MoD, who's above high end abstracts, but never showed any kind of casual multiversal level reality warping (he's significantly below Mxy)
The rest, no-one even comes close. Even assuming Legion has access to his most powerful personality (like Moria), she's a casual universal warper but not multiversal. Adult Frankin is established to be Galactus-level. Jamie Braddock is a casual universal-warper (capable of achieving multi-universal feats but not fully multiversal). Proteus gets destroyed in a microsecond (he has no place here). MJJ without his warp, would lose just as well. Destroying and recreating all DC realities in an instant, is well beyond any of those guys abilities.
Even assuming that Mxy goes down, Max even not tapping into his full potential was (potentially) about to destroy the whole omniverse, ZHP could have recreated a whole multiverse (though not on a whim), and Hourman (assuming he has the complete Worlogog) has multiversal level abilities as well (Dharma and bat mite are universal, Tim would lose in a battle, and Pandora is of no use here).
I think this is intended to be a battle, if it's a question who has more raw power, then it'll turn out differently (let me know).
Originally posted by operator616
^ Flashpoint specifically portrayed them as separate continuities.Battle-wise Mxy is well above everyone here except Owen, who even in his post-retcon form was able to achieve omniversal feats (but the down-side to him, is that he's established to be below abstracts who are <<< Mxy). And sure, HoM Wanda may as well exceed Mxy's power, but in a battle, she'd get stomped (just like someone like Tim, despite having multiversal-level warping abilities, would lose against a universal warper). Next comes MoD, who's above high end abstracts, but never showed any kind of casual multiversal level reality warping (he's significantly below Mxy)
The rest, no-one even comes close. Even assuming Legion has access to his most powerful personality (like Moria), she's a casual universal warper but not multiversal. Adult Frankin is established to be Galactus-level. Jamie Braddock is a casual universal-warper (capable of achieving multi-universal feats but not fully multiversal). Proteus gets destroyed in a microsecond (he has no place here). MJJ without his warp, would lose just as well. Destroying and recreating all DC realities in an instant, is well beyond any of those guys abilities.
Even assuming that Mxy goes down, Max even not tapping into his full potential was (potentially) about to destroy the whole omniverse, ZHP could have recreated a whole multiverse (though not on a whim), and Hourman (assuming he has the complete Worlogog) has multiversal level abilities as well (Dharma and bat mite are universal, Tim would lose in a battle, and Pandora is of no use here).
I think this is intended to be a battle, if it's a question who has more raw power, then it'll turn out differently (let me know).
Which side would you go with?
Originally posted by operator616
^ I explained that id pick the DC side in a battle. But Marvel if we're judging them purely power-based.
Don't think Pandora will be the weakest. Looks like GOD himself will be giving her the power of Light. 😛
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/01/20/preview-monday-trinity-of-sin-pandora-7-and-batman-66-7#1
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
wait for real is anyone from dc taking out mad jim jaspers? yea i think hes the tipping point for marvel clear win because of him
In a neutral ground, MJJ can't warp reality however he needs. It's only that within the warp he creates. Something like this for example (from the end of The Might World of Marvel v2 #9, pertaining captain britain):
http://i.imgur.com/LbqUyjx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0PZorTe.jpg
MJJ's scale for the warp is confirmed to be omniversal potentially (stated on panel in the Jaspers warp arc) and then he returned in X-Men die by the sword, where he was merged with the fury, he was stated to be able to destroy all existence (the Exiles handbooks confirm that he threatened the whole omniverse).
But point is: in a neutral battle ground, he loses without a doubt.
Originally posted by operator616
In a neutral ground, MJJ can't warp reality however he needs. It's only that within the warp he creates. Something like this for example (from the end of The Might World of Marvel v2 #9, pertaining captain britain):http://i.imgur.com/LbqUyjx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0PZorTe.jpgMJJ's scale for the warp is confirmed to be omniversal potentially (stated on panel in the Jaspers warp arc) and then he returned in X-Men die by the sword, where he was merged with the fury, he was stated to be able to destroy all existence (the Exiles handbooks confirm that he threatened the whole omniverse).
But point is: in a neutral battle ground, he loses without a doubt.
So, Max Faraday>>MJJ?
^ Yes if we're equating the terms, because Max doesn't require that stipulation to warp reality. And let's all not forget that Max was capable of destroying the omniverse likewise, stated in Divine Right #7:
http://i.imgur.com/VM1e6M4.jpg
(this was also later confirmed in Divine Intervention)
So we know that his scale was omniversal.
And at that point, he wasn't tapping into his full potential power.
