Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Without artifacts or destroyer armor , asgards heavy hitters are (not counting monsters)Gaea(whatever)
Odin
Thor
Loki
EnchantressWhere as olympus has
NYX
Zeus
Hades
Poseiden
ApolloHow is that enough to give asgard a decicive win?
Those aren't even Asgard's strongest players. facepalm
Karnilla > Amora and by a significant degree. There's also Hela, Malakith, Surtur & Ymir (they've been disqualified, but if you're counting monsters and elder gods for Olympus, I'll mention them for arguments sake), Utgard-Loki, and other beings who I could name off.
If you want to cherry pick beings for Olympus, I'd suggest you'd be aware of who resides in Asgard.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those aren't even Asgard's strongest players. facepalmKarnilla > Amora and by a significant degree. There's also Hela, Malakith, Surtur & Ymir (they've been disqualified, but if you're counting monsters and elder gods for Olympus, I'll mention them for arguments sake), Utgard-Loki, and other beings who I could name off.
If you want to cherry pick beings for Olympus, I'd suggest you'd be aware of who resides in Asgard.
Aren't some of those beings ENEMIES of Asgard? How are they being brought into play? If you include the Frost and Fire Giants but not their respective monsters, why can't Olympus get the Titans and Hekatonkheires? This double standard is annoying.
Originally posted by zopzop
Does anyone else find it humorous that people are saying GAEA would take Asgard's side over Olympus'? I mean GAEA (which is a GREEK name) is Zeus' grandmother and directly got involved when her then lover tried to devour their children.At best she would remain neutral.
If you want to go by character and personality, this fight probably wouldn't even happen to begin with. 😬
Gaea is officially a member of Asgard, specifically acting as one if its rulers. That action alone speaks volumes of how she feels about Asgard and is taking a direct involvement in that pantheon's day to day affairs as well as its long-term ones.
Originally posted by zopzop
Aren't some of those beings ENEMIES of Asgard? How are they being brought into play? If you include the Frost and Fire Giants but not their respective monsters, why can't Olympus get the Titans and Hekatonkheires? This double standard is annoying.
I already mentioned that in a previous post. facepalm
Hunbu and Colossus were bringing up Elder Gods and Titans and other members not directly apart of Mt. Olympus' pantheon. If anything, the double standard is repeatedly complaining about how its spite if Asgard gets its weapons/artifacts while trying to make farcical match ups.
I'm sorry if people don't like or agree that Asgard trumps Olympus in virtually everything significant, but they do.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankGaea likes every single pantheon and would do the same for any of them, asgard is not unique to gaea at all....
If you want to go by character and personality, this fight probably wouldn't even happen to begin with. 😬Gaea is officially a member of Asgard, specifically acting as one if its rulers. That action alone speaks volumes of how she feels about Asgard and is taking a direct involvement in that pantheon's day to day affairs as well as its long-term ones.
She ruled over the egyption pantheon long before she did for asgard.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Gaea likes every single pantheon and would do the same for any of them, asgard is not unique to gaea at all....
And yet, she's directly ruling alongside Frigga and Idunn. That's pretty significant behavior from an entity who is supposed to be neutral in affairs of the Earth. You can't abritrarily state "Gaea wouldn't fight Olympus because she likes them" in a thread like this because it would be OOC in your opinion. Hell, Asgard would likely never actually go to open war with Olympus to begin with under normal circumstances for a variety of reasons barring the manipulations of douchebags like Loki or Pluto.
It's extremely telling how Asgard has to be gimped here for Olympus to have a shot in the minds of some of the posters actively debating in this thread.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankShe previously rulled over the egyption pantheon with the demogorge long ago. Fyi
And yet, she's directly ruling alongside Frigga and Idunn. That's pretty significant behavior from an entity who is supposed to be neutral in affairs of the Earth. You can't abritrarily state "Gaea wouldn't fight Olympus because she likes them" in a thread like this because it would be OOC in your opinion. Hell, Asgard would likely never actually go to open war with Olympus to begin with under normal circumstances for a variety of reasons barring the manipulations of douchebags like Loki or Pluto.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I already mentioned that in a previous post. facepalmHunbu and Colossus were bringing up Elder Gods and Titans and other members not directly apart of Mt. Olympus' pantheon. If anything, the double standard is repeatedly complaining about how its spite if Asgard gets its weapons/artifacts while trying to make farcical match ups.
I'm sorry if people don't like or agree that Asgard trumps Olympus in virtually everything significant, but they do.
Actually Jake, that is the EXACT oppostie of what has occured. They are brining up people that make it clear it's not a stomp, and in fact, Olympus now looks even stronger. You and others were trying to bring in everybody and their mother (literally) in the fight with Olympus while leaving out similar type players for Olympus. While also trying to bring in artifacts, which just like I assumed, were not meant to be in play. Just because the roles are now being reversed don't mean what you're claiming it means.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you want to go by character and personality, this fight probably wouldn't even happen to begin with. 😬Gaea is officially a member of Asgard, specifically acting as one if its rulers. That action alone speaks volumes of how she feels about Asgard and is taking a direct involvement in that pantheon's day to day affairs as well as its long-term ones.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yet, she's directly ruling alongside Frigga and Idunn. That's pretty significant behavior from an entity who is supposed to be neutral in affairs of the Earth. You can't abritrarily state "Gaea wouldn't fight Olympus because she likes them" in a thread like this because it would be OOC in your opinion. Hell, Asgard would likely never actually go to open war with Olympus to begin with under normal circumstances for a variety of reasons barring the manipulations of douchebags like Loki or Pluto.It's extremely telling how Asgard has to be gimped here for Olympus to have a shot in the minds of some of the posters actively debating in this thread.
Which means NOTHING. She has ZERO relation to any Asgardian except Thor, she's his mother. Odin being her lover isn't unique. She's had many. On Olympus' side, her grandchildren are : Zeus, Hera, Hades, Poseidon, Demeter, and Hestia. Hell she's had CHILDREN with Zeus and Poseidon! She's much more closely related to the Olympians than the Asgardians and it's not even close. Another thing, what are they calling her in that Thor arc? If they calling her GAEA (a Greek name) instead of Jord (her supposed Norse name) I'm gonna LMAO.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
She previously rulled over the egyption pantheon with the demogorge long ago. Fyi
Which means what now?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually Jake, that is the EXACT oppostie of what has occured. They are brining up people that make it clear it's not a stomp, and in fact, Olympus now looks even stronger. You and others were trying to bring in everybody and their mother (literally) in the fight with Olympus while leaving out similar type players for Olympus. While also trying to bring in artifacts, which just like I assumed, were not meant to be in play. Just because the roles are now being reversed don't mean what you're claiming it means.
baka
How does this make Olympus look stronger? Asgard had to have Ymir and Surtur and other monsters banned and later got the Destroyer Armor and other weapons banned because they'd beat Olympus clearly. And in the same breath, people are bringing up various titans and elder gods because they know with the primary players only involved, Asgard wins. And then they get upset when Gaea is brought up (who's clearly, per current comic books, serving as an Asgardian ruler). People desperately want Olympus to be equal to, or somehow, superior to Asgard when the comics clearly show us which pantheon is the most powerful and significant. Take up it with Marvel if you dislike it.
Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm, the Hekatonkheires and Titans should be included if the freaking Frost Giants and Fire Giants are included Asgard side. It's only fair. The OP is including ENEMIES of Asgard in this mix.Which means NOTHING. She has ZERO relation to any Asgardian except Thor, she's his mother. Odin being her lover isn't unique. She's had many. On Olympus' side, her grandchildren are : Zeus, Hera, Hades, Poseidon, Demeter, and Hestia. Hell she's had CHILDREN with Zeus and Poseidon! She's much more closely related to the Olympians than the Asgardians and it's not even close. Another thing, what are they calling her in that Thor arc? If they calling her GAEA (a Greek name) instead of Jord (her supposed Norse name) I'm gonna LMAO.
Right, that's the OP. Take it up with him.
Your second paragraph means nothing here. She's now a part of Asgard as one if it's All-Mothers. So, yeah, she certainly does have a significant relation to Asgard(ia) itself. Arguing that she should be closer to Olympus means little when she's depicted as being a part of the actual kingdom of the rival panetheon. And yes, she's referred to as Gaea (though she's been called both Gaea and Jord as far as her appearances go in comics pertaining specifically to Thor). Not sure how her being called Gaea is LMAO worthy when the Greek god of the dead is called "Pluto" instead of Hades and Hercules is "Hercules" instead of Heracles. Means jack shit in the end.
Why not include kronos Zeus Father the God of Time. In CW 2 Cho told Hercules that they were running out of time and Hercules respond was Cho time means nothing to me IS not Chronos my grand Father the god of time himself right after that herc stop time on the entire planet. Atlas the Titans. Don't forget most of time titans were elemental gods with powers easily rivaling Asgard big two Surtur amd Ymir
Another thing:
This is Olympus actually invading the realm of Asgard per OP. Not just a fight. To that end, why can't Asgard rely on its weapons and artifacts if its a fight on their ground? If the OP simply doesn't want them debated due to them being extremely powerful and he doesn't want Olympus to be stopped, I'm not going to argue it, but it says a lot about Asgard if it needs to be nerfed from defending itself with stuff that counts as standard equipment. And as far as the argument going about Asgard's enemies helping Asgard goes, it was clearly stated that in spite of Asgard having its enemies in the form of trolls, Frost Giants, demons, and other creatures, there was a balance to be maintained and purpose in their continued and mutual existence. Which is part of the reason why Odin didn't just obliterate the lot of them when it was well within his power to do so.
So yeah, if Olympus actively invades Asgard, that kind of attention is going to attract beings who are typically opposed to Asgard. To that end, there's no way in hell Olympus can successfully invade Asgard and win.
What is stopping Zeus from using the chronos stone to gain conplete control of time. What is stopping Venus and Aphrodite from turning everyone one team asgard in love slave. Before you argue against it They have turn beings as powerful as Hellstorm, Silver surfer and Sentry in love slave on panel. In Agent of Atlas and in CW. It was also states by Hercules in his onging series that only the Athena, Hestia, and Athemis the three virgins goddesses were unaffected by their powers on Olympus
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Right, that's the OP. Take it up with him.
Ok so then this thread is pointless since it's basically pitting 12 Gods (the Olympians that reside on Olympus) vs hundreds of Gods and Monsters on Asgard's side.
Your second paragraph means nothing here. She's now a part of Asgard as one if it's All-Mothers. So, yeah, she certainly does have a significant relation to Asgard(ia) itself. Arguing that she should be closer to Olympus means little when she's depicted as being a part of the actual kingdom of the rival panetheon. And yes, she's referred to as Gaea (though she's been called both Gaea and Jord as far as her appearances go in comics pertaining specifically to Thor). Not sure how her being called Gaea is LMAO worthy when the Greek god of the dead is called "Pluto" instead of Hades and Hercules is "Hercules" instead of Heracles. Means jack shit in the end.
When was the last time she was called Jord? In the early 80s during a flashback no? I can't believe you don't see the humor and stupidity of calling one of the rulers of Asgard (a Norse pantheon) by her GREEK name.
The Greek/Roman thing has been going on for a while and only because the Roman Gods are nothing more than the Greek Gods given Latin names (same origin stories and everything).
Jord/Gaea not so much.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So yeah, if Olympus actively invades Asgard, that kind of attention is going to attract beings who are typically opposed to Asgard. To that end, there's no way in hell Olympus can successfully invade Asgard and win.
They fought before and neither side won. Greeks didn't believe in the Norse gods and vise versa.