Originally posted by leonidas
damn, when naj chimes in it's a done deal. how the hell you been old timer??
Ive been good man. between work and family been a bit more difficult to keep up with the comic world but I've finally gotten time to start catching up on a lot of the stuff I missed over the past year and decided to pop in to see if the old forum was still kickin. Doesn't seem quite as active as it once was but good to see it along with OGs like yourself are still here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Until Juggy simply outlasts him.
I swear your nekked pics were posted here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15709055#post15709055
Originally posted by h1a8
So you believe WBH can permenantly kill Juggs? Doesn't more powerful versions of Juggs regenerate? WBH would have to remove his enchantment so that he can die.I have absolutely no problem thinking WBH can ko Juggs. But permanently kill him?
I'm not too sure?
If I had to bet, id bet on Juggs giving way first. The difference in strength between he and WBH is quite astronomical and to the tune of several, several, several orders of magnitude. I doubt he has the ability to hurt WBH let alone inflict enough damage to overcome his healing factor which similar to his strength would be amped exponentially from its regular levels.
On the other hand, 8th day Juggernaut while powerful, was still able to be physically affected and is laughably inferior to WBH physically. Further Juggernaut in general on more than one occasion has had his enchantment overcome (Godblast, WWH, Onslaught, War Hulk) etc. Ergo the idea that his enchantment is some all be end all factor that cannot be overcome is demonstrably false and little more than classic no limit fallacy forum lore not supported by the comics.
Originally posted by Naija boy
If I had to bet, id bet on Juggs giving way first. The difference in strength between he and WBH is quite astronomical and to the tune of several, several, several orders of magnitude. I doubt he has the ability to hurt WBH let alone inflict enough damage to overcome his healing factor which similar to his strength would be amped exponentially from its regular levels.On the other hand, 8th day Juggernaut while powerful, was still able to be physically affected and is laughably inferior to WBH physically. Further Juggernaut in general on more than one occasion has had his enchantment overcome (Godblast, WWH, Onslaught, War Hulk) etc. Ergo the idea that his enchantment is some all be end all factor that cannot be overcome is demonstrably false and little more than classic no limit fallacy forum lore not supported by the comics.
I'm not arguing the notion that Juggs can't get hurt or KOed. I don't believe Juggs can even phase WBH. My view is that any damage Juggs face will result in regeneration from Cyttorak himself, making this fight a stalemate. The op said fight to the death (not ko).
Now we can dismiss the showing where Juggs regenerates from a skeleton (he is still able to talk and function) if you believe that's an outlier.
Is there other evidence that a fully powered Juggs can die from physical damage?
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not arguing the notion that Juggs can't get hurt or KOed. I don't believe Juggs can even phase WBH. My view is that any damage Juggs face will result in regeneration from Cyttorak himself, making this fight a stalemate. The op said fight to the death (not ko).Now we can dismiss the showing where Juggs regenerates from a skeleton (he is still able to talk and function) if you believe that's an outlier.
Is there other evidence that a fully powered Juggs can die from physical damage?
Id argue that the efficacy of Juggs enchantment in that instance is the outlier not the norm. The question isnt whether he can die from physical damage since if his enchantment is overcome then yes he will die. The more pertinent question is whether given the history of his unstoppability/invulnerability enchantment, WBH (a being astronomically stronger) is or isnt likely to be able to overcome it in a prolonged one sided beatdown.
Now, given that this enchantment has been overcome to varying degrees on multiple occasions (not the point of death, but to the point of ko, physical harm and momentum being halted/reversed) by forces that are ultimately far far less than the total cumulative force output that he is likely to endure in this fight, Im inclined to believe that he will eventually die.
The burden of proof lay with those claiming that his enchantment would essentially hold up in perpetuity from being hit directly with blows whose residual shockwaves disntegrated top tier level beings (heavily amped Fing Fang, Arcmcheddon etc) from miles away. Even the skeleton incident against D'Spayre (which isnt the norm) doesnt come close to establishing that.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Id argue that the efficacy of Juggs enchantment in that instance is the outlier not the norm. The question isnt whether he can die from physical damage since if his enchantment is overcome then yes he will die. The more pertinent question is whether given the history of his unstoppability/invulnerability enchantment, WBH (a being astronomically stronger) is or isnt likely to be able to overcome it in a prolonged one sided beatdown.Now, given that this enchantment has been overcome to varying degrees on multiple occasions (not the point of death, but to the point of ko, physical harm and momentum being halted/reversed) by forces that are ultimately far far less than the total cumulative force output that he is likely to endure in this fight, Im inclined to believe that he will eventually die.
The burden of proof lay with those claiming that his enchantment would essentially hold up in perpetuity from being hit directly with blows whose residual shockwaves disntegrated top tier level beings (heavily amped Fing Fang, Arcmcheddon etc) from miles away. Even the skeleton incident against D'Spayre (which isnt the norm) doesnt come close to establishing that.
The instances you mentioned are circumstantial and beyond hulls ability to replicate..