Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, Mjolnir was taking out Frost Giants with one hit, yet all it did was make the Hulk reel back a bit after being hit in the face.I think we can all agree that Mjolnir > Loki's dagger
"Reel back a bit" is a huge understatement. The blow took him off his feat, he crashed on a plane (completely slumped on the plane actually), and he starts shaking his head trying to clear out the cobwebs.
I think it's fair to say that Mjolnir hurt him and got him groggy to say the least.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor takes a repulsor blast to the face without any effect and Loki is unharmed by gun fire, but those magical knives had no trouble piercing Thor's skin.Hulk's skin isn't exactly adamantium and he has been shown to bleed. He'd probably heal right after getting stabbed though, but to say that Hulk doesn't feel pain is silly. When Thor gave Hulk that mjolnir uppercut you can see that Hulk was groggy and was in pain for a few secs.
I think we all agree that Hulk would probably win against Loki even if Loki was fully armed. What we argue though is that a fully armed and fully fighting Loki would have given Hulk a lot more trouble, probably more trouble than Thor himself considering that Loki uses illusions and tricks and last time I checked, Hulk isn't exactly the smartest person around.
The repulsors are don't cut, they push.
When did I say "Hulk doesn't feel pain"? He obviously does, but as noted, the F-22 fire did nothing noticeable to his skin.
With illusions, sure, as Hulk would be swinging at ghost. Harming the Hulk? I can't see him doing much.
Originally posted by Robtard
The repulsors are don't cut, they push.When did I say "Hulk doesn't feel pain"? He obviously does, but as noted, the F-22 fire did nothing noticeable to his skin.
With illusions, sure, as Hulk would be swinging at ghost. Harming the Hulk? I can't see him doing much.
Loki is bulletproof as well though. But his knives had no trouble going through Thor's skin. And if we go by comic book standards then Thor's skin is actually tougher than Hulk's skin. The one thing that makes Hulk so hard to beat is his healing factor.
But the fact that Loki's knives pierced Thor means that it should have no trouble piercing Hulk.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Are we back to pretending that Thor was going all out against a ally, while in the middle of a ship full of other allies?
So the classic "Thor wasn't trying".
Thor tried to reason with the Hulk, Hulk smacked him, Thor wiped the blood off his face, called his hammer and gave it back to the Hulk just as good.
Originally posted by Robtard
So the classic "Thor wasn't trying".Thor tried to reason with the Hulk, Hulk smacked him, Thor wiped the blood off his face, called his hammer and gave it back to the Hulk just as good.
Thor going "all out" would mean him using his elemental powers along with his physical powers. Up until the time we see him use these powers against someone (like he did with Destroyer) how can you say that he was going all out?
Originally posted by FrothByte
"Reel back a bit" is a huge understatement. The blow took him off his feat, he crashed on a plane (completely slumped on the plane actually), and he starts shaking his head trying to clear out the cobwebs.I think it's fair to say that Mjolnir hurt him and got him groggy to say the least.
True, I did undersell it. The blow with Mjolnir did in kind what Hulk's fist did to Thor.
My point though, Loki's dagger likely isn't do much to the Hulk, considering he can take a hit to the face from Mjolnir.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor going "all out" would mean him using his elemental powers along with his physical powers. Up until the time we see him use these powers against someone (like he did with Destroyer) how can you say that he was going all out?
Because using a lightning attack in the carrier would have been smart? He used what he had at the time.
He hit Hulk with all he had, it managed some minor damage (nose bleed) and rattled the Hulk's mind.
Considering that above, Loki's dagger isn't do much to the Hulk.
Originally posted by Robtard
You implied that Thor wasn't really trying; that's what I responded to.No strawmanning made on my part, unless you think being proven wrong is a strawman tactic.
No, I said that he wasn't going all out, there is a rather large difference between not going all out and not trying.
Please stop strawmanning.
Originally posted by Robtard
True, I did undersell it. The blow with Mjolnir did in kind what Hulk's fist did to Thor.My point though, Loki's dagger likely isn't do much to the Hulk, considering he can take a hit to the face from Mjolnir.
Well yeah, no big damage. The daggers (especially if thrown repeatedly) will hurt and annoy Hulk. But I don't see them actually stopping him.
I guess what me and the other guys were trying to say was that if the daggers can hurt Hulk and Loki's staff is far more powerful than his daggers (considering that it stood up to Mjolnir) then the staff should be able to harm Hulk pretty good. Not sure if it could harm him as much as mjolnir, but give him some troubles at least.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, I said that he wasn't going all out, there is a rather large difference between not going all out and not trying.Please stop strawmanning.
Tomaytoe Tomahtoe.
Again, you don't know what a strawman is.
When Thor hit Hulk in the face with Mjolnir, he was going all out with the blow.
I think another point I'd like to make is that we can see how easily Thor was dodging Hulk's attacks. The only times when Hulk could land a blow on Thor was via cheap shots or while Thor was off his feet.
Considering that Loki if anything is even more limber than his brother, this just strengthens the analogy that Hulk would have had quite some difficulty fighting a fully fighting Loki.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Well yeah, no big damage. The daggers (especially if thrown repeatedly) will hurt and annoy Hulk. But I don't see them actually stopping him.I guess what me and the other guys were trying to say was that if the daggers can hurt Hulk and Loki's staff is far more powerful than his daggers (considering that it stood up to Mjolnir) then the staff should be able to harm Hulk pretty good. Not sure if it could harm him as much as mjolnir, but give him some troubles at least.
What I am saying, if a blow to the face from Mjolnir only gives the Hulk a nosebleed and some groggnesss, Loki's chances of doing much to the Hulk with dagger and staff (both of which are weaker than Thor with Mjolnir) are slim at best.
Originally posted by Robtard
What I am saying, if a blow to the face from Mjolnir only gives the Hulk a nosebleed and some groggnesss, Loki's chances of doing much to the Hulk with dagger and staff (both of which are weaker than Thor with Mjolnir) are slim at best.
Well to be fair, Thor only hit Hulk once with Mjolnir. Not sure what repeated blows would have done to him. In the same line, a single shot from Loki's staff wouldn't have done that much to Hulk. But Loki dodging around Hulk and hitting him multiple times has a good chance of success... or at least hurt Hulk enough to provide a chance for Loki to escape.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
i wonder wtf happened to Loki's intangibility/mirror/teleportation/whateverDaFuqDatIs ability.Hulk making people fight stupid even in movies? LoL That can't even be called a fight lol
Loki was taken by surprise. Smashed against a wall then had a Hulk coming at him in clear view.
Loki didn't have time to cast any of his spells I guess. The Astral traveling, cloning and invisibility tricks could all be boiled down to telepathic manipulation. It would be a bit hard to attempt such feats when Hulk is coming at you.