Originally posted by janus77
Hulk murders them. Hulk does to Thor what he did to Loki.
Funny because Hulk and Thor did fight, and I don't remember it happening like that at all.
Oh and that while Thor outright said "I don't want to fight you Banner" and without unleashing any of his more exotic powers.
To be fair, the movie does strongly imply that the Hulk is much more cognizant than would suggest by his conduct. He seems to recognize and protect his allies in the final battle, not to mention his willingness to take orders from the Captain. I would submit that the Hulk unleashed rather unprecedented aggression towards Loki, the source of strife for him and his friends and the world itself, that he did not direct towards Thor.
I was surprised with how much control Banner got after the helicarier incident. I didn't really mind it because it gave us great scenes, but I was left confused and wondering how Banner did it. Perhaps because he willingly transformed during the invasion whereas his previous transformation was forced.
Hulk > Thor by Avengers movie feats.
Hulk punched Thor with all his might = Thor was knocked back and got a bloody nose. Thor hit Hulk with Mjolnir with all his might = Knocked back; no noticeable damage.
Hulk one-shot a living ship with a punch, I don't recall Thor being able to do this (did it happen?).
Hulk did not get KO'd when he crashed landed, the old security guard said he was still awake when he landed. By Thor's desperation to free himself from the cell, it seemed to imply that a fall from that height could potentially kill or severely harm him, though it's inconclusive.
Originally posted by RobtardHulk one-shot a living ship with a punch, I don't recall Thor being able to do this (did it happen?).
He did with a lightning strike. Remember we're talking overall power in an all out fight, not just whose better in a punch up.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hulk did not get KO'd when he crashed landed, the old security guard said he was still awake when he landed. By Thor's desperation to free himself from the cell, it seemed to imply that a fall from that height could potentially kill or severely harm him, though it's inconclusive.
Loki's words "The mortals think we're immortal. I'd like to test that theory" would suggest that even he wasn't sure what the drop would do to Thor in terms of permanent damage. So like you said it's inconclusive.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I was surprised with how much control Banner got after the helicarier incident. I didn't really mind it because it gave us great scenes, but I was left confused and wondering how Banner did it. Perhaps because he willingly transformed during the invasion whereas his previous transformation was forced.
I think that is the most popular explanation. Although I don't think anyone has mentioned that Hulk along with the rest of the team were being magically affected due to their proximity to the scepter. Also, Bruce actually held it which probably meant he was affected the most. That could be a major factor into why he couldn't control himself the first time.
As we saw with Hawkeye, after being knocked out, it "re-calibrated" his psyche and returned to his normal self. I believe the same thing happened to Bruce - after he went unconscious, Loki/Scepter's influence left him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He did with a lightning strike. Remember we're talking overall power in an all out fight, not just whose better in a punch up.
I don't see that lightning doing anything to Hulk considering it didn't do much to Ironman and Hulk was bombarded by what looked like to be at least 20 ships and it didn't harm him at all.
So it seems like this fight would come down to a "punch up", which Hulk showed better feats and overall power.
Originally posted by Placidity
I think that is the most popular explanation. Although I don't think anyone has mentioned that Hulk along with the rest of the team were being magically affected due to their proximity to the scepter. Also, Bruce actually held it which probably meant he was affected the most. That could be a major factor into why he couldn't control himself the first time.As we saw with Hawkeye, after being knocked out, it "re-calibrated" his psyche and returned to his normal self. I believe the same thing happened to Bruce - after he went unconscious, Loki/Scepter's influence left him.
From several scenes combined, I got the impression that Banner had finally become in control of when he transforms, barring the Helicarrier scene where as you mentioned, his mind was being influenced by outside powers.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't see that lightning doing anything to Hulk considering it didn't do much to Ironman and Hulk was bombarded by what looked like to be at least 20 ships and it didn't harm him at all.So it seems like this fight would come down to a "punch up", which Hulk showed better feats and overall power.
Iron Man was backed by PIS...kind of. The whole supercharge was sort of lame lol.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't see that lightning doing anything to Hulk considering it didn't do much to Ironman
Doesn't work like that. Iron man runs on energy, the Lightning just powered him up. It's happened in comics as well.
Originally posted by Robtard
and Hulk was bombarded by what looked like to be at least 20 ships and it didn't harm him at all.
That's not what it looked like. It looked like it was hurting him, and I still think Thor's lightning would be more powerful considering the damage it caused.
Anyway the point was to show who can output more power. Thor can also whirl Hulk up in a Tornado like he did the Destroyer.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Doesn't work like that. Iron man runs on energy, the Lightning just powered him up. It's happened in comics as well.That's not what it looked like. It looked like it was hurting him, and I still think Thor's lightning would be more powerful considering the damage it caused.
Anyway the point was to show who can output more power. Thor can also whirl Hulk up in a Tornado like he did the Destroyer.
The IM suit is still made of an alloy shell and it was somewhat damaged by the blast.
Hurt as in pain, likely by the way Hulk was grimacing. Harm as in damage, absolutely none was seen. Can't recall a single instance where Hulk showed damage in the film.
And by the Avengers film, Hulk can. What's the tornado going to do to the Hulk, so Thors sucks him up, then what? Thor can't harm the Hulk by this films showings.
IMO Thor hasn't done anything new in the Avengers that gives him a better chance than when we were debating pre-avengers. I would say the continuous lightning blast would hold Hulk back but likely would not put him down.
Just as when we were discussing Pre-Avengers Thor, I believe he can KO Hulk if he deals a "lightning charged strike" to the head that shattered the ground in Frosty land.
Overall, Hulk takes the majority.
Originally posted by RobtardHurt as in pain, likely by the way Hulk was grimacing. Harm as in damage, absolutely none was seen. Can't recall a single instance where Hulk showed damage in the film.
Likewise Hulk gave Thor all his best blows and all we saw was a bit of a nose bleed. And that without Mjolnir, without Flying all around Hulk and without any Weather manipulation powers.
So Thor has proven he can take everything Hulk has to offer. Whilst Hulk has yet to prove he can take the most powerful shots Thor has to offer.
Originally posted by Robtard
And by the Avengers film, Hulk can. What's the tornado going to do to the Hulk, so Thors sucks him up, then what?
Well aside from tossing him around from as high up as he wants, he could suck all the air from Hulk's Lungs. This Hulk hasn't shown he can survive without air.
Originally posted by RobtardThor managed to give Hulk the exact same nose bleed he gave Thor in their melee fight. At least I'm pretty sure he did, you may want to double check on that one.
Hurt as in pain, likely by the way Hulk was grimacing. Harm as in damage, absolutely none was seen. Can't recall a single instance where Hulk showed damage in the film.
Hulk was bleeding and looking bruised after that barrage from the aliens.