Movie Hulk(Avengers) vs Movie Thor

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
It's more of how they are compared to each other. Hulk always comes out looking better in the movies/cartoons/dvds. I disagree with the comics for the most part, but there have been some writers who are really pro-Hulk. Don't believe me? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC1UqipoIOE

And in an amazing showing of creativity they had virtually the same exact scene when Hulk beat Beta Ray Bill to an inch of his life.

so if thor is displayed superior in a comic, are the writers being pro-thor than?

btw in the JLU cartoon, superman was always considered the most important part of the league...even batman admits it

I always feel cheated in movies and cartoons.

I remember watching Ultimate Avengers and telling my son

"Watch this, Thor is going to win" 😐

Then I watched Hulk vs

"Son, look Thor should win this one" 😐

and now that I saw the Avengers my wife finally told me

"Hulk always wins" 😒

To what I responded 😐

I believe Thor should win based on his versatility of powers, I give the Hulk the strength advantage always, but now I have to rethink if Hulk's physical stats compensate for his lack of versatility.

Damn you Marvel!!!

Originally posted by biensalsa
I always feel cheated in movies and cartoons.

I remember watching Ultimate Avengers and telling my son

"Watch this, Thor is going to win" 😐

Then I watched Hulk vs

"Son, look Thor should win this one" 😐

and now that I saw the Avengers my wife finally told me

"Hulk always wins" 😒

To what I responded 😐

I believe Thor should win based on his versatility of powers, I give the Hulk the strength advantage always, but now I have to rethink if Hulk's physical stats compensate for his lack of versatility.

Damn you Marvel!!!

Thor SHOULD win. But he constantly fights down to Hulk's level so Marvel can show these uncreative fist fights. And yeah, Thor is going to lose that way almost every time. Look at Thor vs Glory in Chaos War. Hulk would be useless in a situation like that. But Thor won't pull out that stuff against Hulk. Thor has energy drained people before. Why doesn't he do that against the Hulk a la the Silver Surfer did? Why does Thor BFR Hulk into low Earth orbit rather than BFR into the center of the Sun? Why doesn't Thor godblast the Hulk? Why doesn't Thor hit Hulk with one of these?:

The problem is there's some simpletons at Marvel who want to see "Hulk smash". So every hero who fights him will "forget" they have a hundred other powers and just duke it out with him. Kind of like how even Zeus...a freakin' SKYFATHER said, "I could disintegrate this guy with a thought, but it's the HULK!! I've gotta have a fist fight with him!"

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
It's more of how they are compared to each other. Hulk always comes out looking better in the movies/cartoons/dvds. I disagree with the comics for the most part, but there have been some writers who are really pro-Hulk. Don't believe me? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC1UqipoIOE

And in an amazing showing of creativity they had virtually the same exact scene when Hulk beat Beta Ray Bill to an inch of his life.

The thing I would say about the above instance though, is that it was Loki 'controlling' Hulk, so the amount of brutality that was displayed is not reflective of what Banner would dish out.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor SHOULD win. But he constantly fights down to Hulk's level so Marvel can show these uncreative fist fights. And yeah, Thor is going to lose that way almost every time. Look at Thor vs Glory in Chaos War. Hulk would be useless in a situation like that. But Thor won't pull out that stuff against Hulk. Thor has energy drained people before. Why doesn't he do that against the Hulk a la the Silver Surfer did? Why does Thor BFR Hulk into low Earth orbit rather than BFR into the center of the Sun? Why doesn't Thor godblast the Hulk? Why doesn't Thor hit Hulk with one of these?:

The problem is there's some simpletons at Marvel who want to see "Hulk smash". So every hero who fights him will "forget" they have a hundred other powers and just duke it out with him. Kind of like how even Zeus...a freakin' SKYFATHER said, "I could disintegrate this guy with a thought, but it's the HULK!! I've gotta have a fist fight with him!"

They say that Hulk has the power of making everybody else to forget about their own powers, I agree 🙂

Btw how about a thread of

Movie Superman vs Movie Avengers 😈

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The problem is there's some simpletons at Marvel who want to see "Hulk smash". So every hero who fights him will "forget" they have a hundred other powers and just duke it out with him. Kind of like how even Zeus...a freakin' SKYFATHER said, "I could disintegrate this guy with a thought, but it's the HULK!! I've gotta have a fist fight with him!"

You complain that they don't use Thor's versatility, but I could just as validly complain that they don't use Hulk's strength, in the confrontations that they have.

Hulk is written down to Thor's level of strength, from smashing planets and cosmic entities to grappling for hours with Thor, that's a long way down.

Why has Hulk never simply punched Thor's head right off? or punched through Thor's body? it's not as if weapons cannot penetrate Thor's body, it happens all the time. It's just that Hulk would kill Thor, it would damage their sales of Hulk to kids and parents ... Hulk has to retain some level of innocence.

In that regard, I rather like Thor's willingness to kill, like Wolverine, it's what brings him up a level in effectiveness.

I actually think it might end up as one big stalemate.

Originally posted by janus77

Hulk is written down to Thor's level of strength, from smashing planets and cosmic entities to grappling for hours with Thor, that's a long way down.

You're making it seem like Thor has no high end strength feats. In fact, in terms of FEATS, I'd almost give the edge to Thor over the Hulk. (And no, I don't think Thor's stronger than the Hulk, so let's get that out in the open right now). Thor's World Engine feat is equal to nearly anything I've seen from the Hulk. And there's been tons of times weapons (hell even BONES) have penetrated the Hulk, so I can make the same argument as to why Thor couldn't just punch the Hulk's head off.

Originally posted by janus77
I think it works both ways there, the writer's primary objective is to maintain an on-going, so the drama and excitement of a confrontation requires that bfr be temporary at best or that characters not go for the kill (spoils them in the eyes of the readership).

You complain that they don't use Thor's versatility, but I could just as validly complain that they don't use Hulk's strength, in the confrontations that they have.

Hulk is written down to Thor's level of strength, from smashing planets and cosmic entities to grappling for hours with Thor, that's a long way down.

Why has Hulk never simply punched Thor's head right off? or punched through Thor's body? it's not as if weapons cannot penetrate Thor's body, it happens all the time. It's just that Hulk would kill Thor, it would damage their sales of Hulk to kids and parents ... Hulk has to retain some level of innocence.

In that regard, I rather like Thor's willingness to kill, like Wolverine, it's what brings him up a level in effectiveness.

Im so sick of the thor fanboys who whine and complain every time hulk is shown superior to thor...its always some excuse, just accept it, hulk is > thor in marvel's opinion. and marvel's opinion is more important than some fanboys opinion....after all, they actually created both characters.

Originally posted by Starscream M
good post

Im so sick of the thor fanboys who whine and complain every time hulk is shown superior to thor...its always some excuse, just accept it, hulk is > thor in marvel's opinion. and marvel's opinion is more important than some fanboys opinion....after all, they actually created both characters.

Actually Stan Lee did, and he said Thor is more powerful, so even by your logic you're wrong.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Actually Stan Lee did, and he said Thor is more powerful, so even by your logic you're wrong.

Check.

lol

According to the movie, Thor held his own against Hulk in close quarters for a bit without even using Mjolnir. And when he did get the hammer, he didn't even really rely on using his lightning/wind powers (which, lol at the idea that Hulk would completely no sell them). So, essentially, the movieverse did exactly what the comics do: Thor fighting down on Hulk's level and doing moderately well under the conditions.

I honestly don't see how anyone can't look at their respective feats and fights and claim otherwise.

And lol at Starscream complaining about "Thor fanboys".

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Actually Stan Lee did, and he said Thor is more powerful, so even by your logic you're wrong.

so you may be right that marvel used to deem thor more powerful

but my point is currently, hulk is deemed by marvel as who they'd prop to be more powerful

I dont actually care either way...if marvel wants thor to be more powerful, thats fine. I just dont like whining by fans whenever a company doesn't do what they want.

Thor has a variety of combat feats with MJOLNIR. He can use the tornado/storm he unleashed on the Destroyer. He can do that omnidirectional blast he fired at Loki during their skirmish in the birdge. He can find a way to drop the hammer on Hulk for the autowin. I think Thor flying at Hulk with MJOLNIR at full speed, like he did in the container cell, can mess Hulk up.

Then again Hulk might tank it all, but it does look like Thor would tank Hulk's attacks as well.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol

According to the movie, Thor held his own against Hulk in close quarters for a bit without even using Mjolnir. And when he did get the hammer, he didn't even rely on using his lightning powers (which, lol at the idea that Hulk would completely no sell them). So, essentially, the movieverse did exactly what the comics do: Thor fighting down on Hulk's level and doing moderately well under the conditions.

I honestly don't see how anyone can't look at their respective feats and fights and claim otherwise.

And lol at Starscream complaining about "Thor fanboys".

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You're making it seem like Thor has no high end strength feats. In fact, in terms of FEATS, I'd almost give the edge to Thor over the Hulk. (And no, I don't think Thor's stronger than the Hulk, so let's get that out in the open right now). Thor's World Engine feat is equal to nearly anything I've seen from the Hulk. And there's been tons of times weapons (hell even BONES) have penetrated the Hulk, so I can make the same argument as to why Thor couldn't just punch the Hulk's head off.

There's a huge difference between having "high end" feats and having that kind of feat be your reason for existing. Hulk exists to overpower everything.

Savage Hulk has feats that contend with CELESTIAL entities (rocking infinite worlds, taking out dimensions, dimensional barriers, elder gods ... those are his "high end" feats); His regular stuff is what would count as Thor's high end (holding up mountain ranges, lifting islands etc etc). And that's my point.

Thor loses the versatility and Hulk loses his strength, thus a fight can be made to be entertaining.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Thor has a variety of combat feats with MJOLNIR. He can use the tornado/storm he unleashed on the Destroyer. He can do that omnidirectional blast he fired at Loki during their skirmish in the birdge. He can find a way to drop the hammer on Hulk for the autowin. I think Thor flying at Hulk with MJOLNIR at full speed, like he did in the container cell, can mess Hulk up.

Then again Hulk might tank it all, but it does look like Thor would tank Hulk's attacks as well.

but hulk has a more limitless power level

I'd agree that if you gave thor's powers to Dr. Doom, then he would beat hulk though

Originally posted by Starscream M
hulk chumped loki, which thor failed to do

He caught Loki off guard and Thor's entire objective through the film was an attempt to redeem his brother and get him to come back to Asgard quietly. We've already seen Thor best Loki when he's had enough of his bullshit.

It still changes nothing and everything I said earlier is still valid. Almost every single time they fight, in any media, Thor fights down to Hulk's level and keeps the fight in a melee confrontation instead of just spamming attacks from above or using a modicum of his abilities outside of physical strength and striking power with Mjolnir. And generally, Thor does decent if it's just him versus Hulk in that setting.

You can't really dispute that fact.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor has a more versatile powerset

but hulk has a more limitless power level

I'd agree that if you gave thor's powers to Dr. Doom, then he would beat hulk though

Dr. Doom doesn't need Thor's powers to beat Hulk. biscuits