Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He caught Loki off guard ...edit
Hulk just had fun with Loki, he broke him like a baby's rattle. No "off guard", Loki never ever had a chance, he didn't know what he was up against. Too busy speechifying, to realise that he was the ant and Hulk was the true god there.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankthor can hold his own against hulk for a bit, but see heres a simple fact you thor fans seem to miss
He caught Loki off guard and Thor's entire objective through the film was an attempt to redeem his brother and get him to come back to Asgard quietly. We've already seen Thor best Loki when he's had enough of his bullshit.It still changes nothing and everything I said earlier is still valid. Almost every single time they fight, in any media, Thor fights down to Hulk's level and keeps the fight in a melee confrontation instead of just spamming attacks from above or using a modicum of his abilities outside of physical strength and striking power with Mjolnir. And generally, Thor does decent if it's just him versus Hulk in that setting.
You can't really dispute that fact.
hulk gets only more powerful the longer the fight is and he gets more enraged
thor doesn't
hence, thor does well in the beginning of fights, but hulk would do well in a longer engagement.
and jake, thor never spams his attacks...so bringing that up is pointless. its like me saying hulk can just open his mouth and bite thor's little head off...while physically possible, hulk just wouldnt do.
so stop crying and take your thumb out of your mouth and enjoy what marvel has done and stop whining about the unfair portrayal of thor you little baby!
Originally posted by janus77lol jakeypoo always has to rationalize why hulk did better...there always has to be a reason or excuse
roflHulk just had fun with Loki, he broke him like a baby's rattle. No "off guard", Loki never ever had a chance, he didn't know what he was up against. Too busy speechifying, to realise that he was the ant and Hulk was the true god there.
Originally posted by janus77
roflHulk just had fun with Loki, he broke him like a baby's rattle. No "off guard", Loki never ever had a chance, he didn't know what he was up against. Too busy speechifying, to realise that he was the ant and Hulk was the true god there.
Yeah, he caught him off guard. 👆
Not saying it wasn't Loki's own fault for monologuing, but it's clear he wasn't expecting Hulk's ragestomping.
Originally posted by janus77
And you're forgetting that Marvel have, from day one, shown Savage Hulk > Thor, in strength and in terms of capacity to overcome obstacles. From opening bunker doors that Thor could not, to beating down Thor in direct conflict (with Mjolnir the only equaliser).There's a huge difference between having "high end" feats and having that kind of feat be your reason for existing. Hulk exists to overpower everything.
Savage Hulk has feats that contend with CELESTIAL entities (rocking infinite worlds, taking out dimensions, dimensional barriers, elder gods ... those are his "high end" feats); His regular stuff is what would count as Thor's high end (holding up mountain ranges, lifting islands etc etc). And that's my point.
Thor loses the versatility and Hulk loses his strength, thus a fight can be made to be entertaining.
Again, I admitted Hulk was stronger. I was just bringing up high end strength feats as a sidebar. But Savage Hulk and Thor stalemated for hours in a test of strength, no hammer involved. And please don't start saying the Hulk is matching a Celestial in strength in feats or otherwise. A SKYFATHER completely owned him in strength, and any Celestial could squash Zeus with one finger while stepping on 20 other skyfathers.
Originally posted by Starscream M
hulk chumped loki, which thor failed to do
True, Hulk punked Loki but I'm unclear as to how that's evidence of him being able to beat Thor in a fight.
Not to mention, when Thor got mad he's owned Loki. In his movie he took him down with a lighting blast and in the Avengers, he manhandled and tossed Loki.
Also, after Loki was blown up by the arrow, Hulk sucker punched Loki through the wall and grabbed him by the cape by surprise as well.
I get that it was done for comedic value but I'm a bit disappointed that Loki didn't use an illusion for that scene. It seemed like something he'd do.
Originally posted by Starscream M
thor can hold his own against hulk for a bit, but see heres a simple fact you thor fans seem to misshulk gets only more powerful the longer the fight is and he gets more enraged
thor doesn't
hence, thor does well in the beginning of fights, but hulk would do well in a longer engagement.
and jake, thor never spams his attacks...so bringing that up is pointless. its like me saying hulk can just open his mouth and bite thor's little head off...while physically possible, hulk just wouldnt do.
so stop crying and take your thumb out of your mouth and enjoy what marvel has done and stop whining about the unfair portrayal of thor you little baby!
Cool story bro.
Yeah, and Thor has, on panel, matched Hulk's strength as he was getting angrier, and presumably, stronger! 😱
Thor has a huge reserve of energy/stamina/strength/power, the same kind that enables him to stagger, effect, and harm beings such as Galactus, Celestials, Chaos King, Glory, Dark Gods, Surtur, Ymir, Thanos, etc.
Thor's summoned down lightning before, tossed Mjolnir at speeds beyond that of light, summoned hurricane winds, and stopped Savage Hulk with freakin' rain. All that stuff he's done in character and against a wide assortment of foes....except Hulk. At this point I'm willing to accept that Thor will probably always fight down to Hulk's level for the sake of plot, but don't pretend like he doesn't.
I'd give this fight to Thor. Yeah, Thor kept trying to talk to Loki instead of out and out destroy him. And in the final battle Thor came out looking better than Hulk, from the number of giant ships destroyed to the final stand. Hulk was pinned down and helpless. Ironman was heading that way before he jetted. Only Thor was still actively attacking and wrecking the Chitauri in the streets.
I think the main problem here is that Hulk's scenes had something extra (Comedy, build up etc.) which make them stand out more.
Like, the Hulk's first punch against the Leviathan while really awesome is a lot less impressive than Thor's lightning blast (Greatest feat of power in the entire movie actually) but because it didn't have that dramatic build up, it doesn't stand out as much.
People have completely forgotten about Thor slamming down that piece of metal that Hulk stuck into the monster with more force but remember the sucker punch and so on.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuswhy do thor fans have this unexplainable need to overanalyze and rationalize every thing regarding thor vs hulk? some things are just simple, marvel deems hulk > thor (for whatever reason, financial perhaps) 😱
I think the main problem here is that Hulk's scenes had something extra (Comedy, build up etc.) which make them stand out more.Like, the Hulk's first punch against the Leviathan while awesome is a lot less impressive than Thor's lightning blast (Greatest feat of power in the entire movie actually) but because it didn't have that dramatic build up, it doesn't stand out as much.
Originally posted by Starscream M
why do thor fans have this unexplainable need to overanalyze and rationalize every thing regarding thor vs hulk? some things are just simple, marvel deems hulk > thor (for whatever reason, financial perhaps) 😱
It seems to be the most likely explanation to me.
Like I said, Thor had the greatest feat of power in the movie and people seem to forget about it for the most part.
Uhuh.
Exactly.
If you were to break down and analyze the movie -from a battle board perspective anyway- Thor has the best showings of overall power -especially if you count his movie- but Hulk smashes Loki for comedic effect, and it's like Thor has no chance.
The extra effect and build up makes certain scenes stand out more.