Originally posted by ares834
I'm still wondering why Thor fans think Thor will fight to his best of his ability here. Wasn't the argument in the speedblitz thread the Superman doesn't always resort to a speedblitz? Considering Thor typically brawls in the movie, shouldn't that be how he fights here?
To be honest in fights against Hulk, writers usually have them brawling it out. But that's the PIS situation that always surrounds Thor vs Hulk fights.
And to be perfectly honest, Supes vs Hulk in crossovers is also victim to that same PIS element.
However if your talking about how Thor fights when he takes on Uber powerful villains like The Destroyer, Thanos, Galactus e.t.c he always does use his wide array of powers.
And he did so in the Thor movie against The Destroyer, the only time he was up against a Seriously Powerful opponent.
So what we're arguing here, is what Thor could do to him, if he saw Hulk as the villain and a serious threat like he did The Destroyer.
Originally posted by ares834
Regardless, I still see no reason why Thor's typical lightning is superior to the barrage of laser Hulk withstood. And I still see no reason why we are to believe that Thor doesn't need to use the building for his mega-lightning. After all, we see the electricity coursing through the building after Thor summons it suggesting it helps him channel and contain it before its released.
And I disagree. What exactly did that building do that apparently amped his Lightning so much??
And have you forgotten the instant lightning blast in the Thor movie that took out a whole landsacpe??
I definitely see Thor's Lightning as more of a threat than a few lasers from small Shitari vessels.
Originally posted by Starscream Mon the other hand, hulk can use his 'powerful attack' on thor
summary: thor's attack is a great mass area attack thats great for attacking giant creatures or large armies whereas hulk's powers are suited for solo fights...and since thor vs hulk is a solo fight, hulks powers are more benefitted
Really because I remember Thor starting the fight dodging Hulk's punches until he tried talking to him.
I remember Thor having time to summon Mjolnir and still whack Hulk before Hulk could whack him.
And I remember Hulk ripping off a Jet Wing and throwing it at Thor trying his best to slice Thor in 2, and yet Thor dodged that too.
And this all in an enclosed environment where Thor can't even fly!!
I remember Thor throwing Mjolnir at Hulk from a distance and how that grounded Hulk.
So no, I don't think Hulk is dodging squat. If anyone avoids attacks it will be Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
Sure did now can you please explain who Thor has damaged with his lightning that makes you believe he could take out Hulk?
He damaged Chitauri vessels with lightning in the Avengers and physically already displayed he could hurt the Hulk with a single Mjolnir strike, let alone a full speed charge with the hammer or a hammer toss at the face or anything. And there's also what he did to Jotunheim in his solo movie, which required no amp and was done at a moment's notice.
How about you tell me what did Hulk do to suggest he wouldn't even be fazed by anything of this?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He damaged Chitauri vessels with lightning in the Avengers and physically already displayed he could hurt the Hulk with a single Mjolnir strike, let alone a full speed charge with the hammer or a hammer toss at the face or anything. And there's also what he did to in his solo movie, which required no amp and was done at a moment's notice.How about you tell me what did Hulk do to suggest he wouldn't even be fazed by anything of this?
So Hulk is going to allow Thor to lean off of a building blasting him with lightning? Make sense. Outside of a building assisting Thor, Thor lightning has done nothing to suggest it would drop Hulk. Hulk has been electrified in his first movie by his father who was empowered by an entire City worth of electricity and got up right away after being thrown across a state "after" being electrocuted. That's more impressive than any lightning showing Thor has done.
As for hammer tosses. Didn't do a thing to Hulk...thats all it did was piss him off. Thor isn't fighting a frost Giant here..this is something that is far more powerful and far more durable. Thor doesn't have a single showing to suggest he could drop the Hulk and since you want to bring up ships being destroyed, I guess Hulk punches would rock Thor since he one shotted the same ships you are trying to use as some type of high showing.
Originally posted by carver9
So Hulk is going to allow Thor to lean off of a building blasting him with lightning? Make sense. Outside of a building assisting Thor, Thor lightning has done nothing to suggest it would drop Hulk. Hulk has been electrified in his first movie by his father who was empowered by an entire City and go up right away after being thrown across a state "after" being electrocuted. That's more impressive than any lightning showing Thor has done.As for hammer tosses. Didn't do a thing to Hulk...thats all it did was piss him off. Thor isn't fighting a frost Giant here..this is something that is far more powerful and far more durable. Thor doesn't have a single showing to suggest he could drop the Hulk and since you want to bring up ships being destroyed, I guess Hulk punches would rock Thor since he one shotted the same ships you are trying to use as some type of high showing.
Carver, I'll say this once. Stop being stupid.
For one thing, you can't prove the building amped Thor, as he certainly didn't get powered up by the building and merely used it as a platform to stand on so that he could bottleneck the aliens. For another, Ang Lee's Hulk film isn't even canon for the Avengers; you're better off referencing Incredible Hulk.
Yeah, Hulk's attempted to grasp Mjolnir as it was thrown at him as it pinned his wrist to the ground. He didn't suffer a direct strike from Mjolnir being thrown at him nor did he experience Thor charging at him at top speed with the hammer. Try watching the god damn movies. WTF? I'm not talking about Frost Giants, here. I'm talking about what a single lightning bolt fueled strike did to the landscape of Jotunheim, which is so far beyond any damage Hulk did, it's ridiculous.
Hulk didn't one shot any of the Leviathans. Even that one he punched out when he first arrived he didn't destroy; all that did was expose it's unarmored side for Iron Man to blow up.
Basically, per usual, you want to ignore what happens on panel (or in this case, on screen) and lie out your ass.
Originally posted by carver9Using non canon events good job carver lol
So Hulk is going to allow Thor to lean off of a building blasting him with lightning? Make sense. Outside of a building assisting Thor, Thor lightning has done nothing to suggest it would drop Hulk. Hulk has been electrified in his first movie by his father who was empowered by an entire City worth of electricity and got up right away after being thrown across a state "after" being electrocuted. That's more impressive than any lightning showing Thor has done.As for hammer tosses. Didn't do a thing to Hulk...thats all it did was piss him off. Thor isn't fighting a frost Giant here..this is something that is far more powerful and far more durable. Thor doesn't have a single showing to suggest he could drop the Hulk and since you want to bring up ships being destroyed, I guess Hulk punches would rock Thor since he one shotted the same ships you are trying to use as some type of high showing.
Carver School of Debating:
1.) Exaggerate feats to your benefit.
2.) Ignore what you don't like or disagree with.
3.) Claim you're not lowballing a character because they're actually your favorite.
4.) Use non-canon feats/instances as proof.
5.) Disregard context at will.
6.) Declare yourself winner of debate.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYou sure thats not Quans school of debating?
Carver School of Debating:1.) Exaggerate feats to your benefit.
2.) Ignore what you don't like or disagree with.
3.) Claim you're not lowballing a character because they're actually your favorite.
4.) Use non-canon feats/instances as proof.
5.) Disregard context at will.
6.) Declare yourself winner of debate.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI agree with most of this. I would like to say though I'm pretty sure the Leviathan Hulk hit wasn't getting up even if IM didn't use the missiles 😛
Carver, I'll say this once. Stop being stupid.For one thing, you can't prove the building amped Thor, as he certainly didn't get powered up by the building and merely used it as a platform to stand on so that he could bottleneck the aliens. For another, Ang Lee's Hulk film isn't even canon for the Avengers; you're better off referencing Incredible Hulk.
Yeah, Hulk's attempted to grasp Mjolnir as it was thrown at him as it pinned his wrist to the ground. He didn't suffer a direct strike from Mjolnir being thrown at him nor did he experience Thor charging at him at top speed with the hammer. Try watching the god damn movies. WTF? I'm not talking about Frost Giants, here. I'm talking about what a single lightning bolt fueled strike did to the landscape of Jotunheim, which is so far beyond any damage Hulk did, it's ridiculous.
Hulk didn't one shot any of the Leviathans. Even that one he punched out when he first arrived he didn't destroy; all that did was expose it's unarmored side for Iron Man to blow up.
Basically, per usual, you want to ignore what happens on panel (or in this case, on screen) and lie out your ass.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Carver, I'll say this once. Stop being stupid.For one thing, you can't prove the building amped Thor, as he certainly didn't get powered up by the building and merely used it as a platform to stand on so that he could bottleneck the aliens. For another, Ang Lee's Hulk film isn't even canon for the Avengers; you're better off referencing Incredible Hulk.
Yeah, Hulk's attempted to grasp Mjolnir as it was thrown at him as it pinned his wrist to the ground. He didn't suffer a direct strike from Mjolnir being thrown at him nor did he experience Thor charging at him at top speed with the hammer. Try watching the god damn movies. WTF? I'm not talking about Frost Giants, here. I'm talking about what a single lightning bolt fueled strike did to the landscape of Jotunheim, which is so far beyond any damage Hulk did, it's ridiculous.
Hulk didn't one shot any of the Leviathans. Even that one he punched out when he first arrived he didn't destroy; all that did was expose it's unarmored side for Iron Man to blow up.
Basically, per usual, you want to ignore what happens on panel (or in this case, on screen) and lie out your ass.
All of this post is boo boo but there is something I would like to know. Why isn't the first movie Canon to the second and Avengers movie? The second movie started right where the first one stopped at. They are linked. So again, why isn't it canon?
Lol at Hulk not stopping that ship. Hilarious Jake. Your entire post is jacked. The lightning Thor used on the frost giants didn't even kill the Giants that was near him but its suppose to stop Hulk? Hilarious buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
All of this post is boo boo but there is something I would like to know. Why isn't the first movie Canon to the second and Avengers movie? The second movie started right where the first one stopped at. They are linked. So again, why isn't it canon?Lol at Hulk not stopping that ship. Hilarious Jake. Your entire post is jacked. The lightning Thor used on the frost giants didn't even kill the Giants that was near him but its suppose to stop Hulk? Hilarious buddy.
Incredible Hulk is a reboot of the "Hulk Franchise". It has nothing to do with Ang Lee's Hulk.
Hulk punched that ship down, but he didn't destroy it on his own. Iron Man blew it to kingdom come. I know you want to give Hulk all the credit, though. So what feat from Hulk suggests he'd take a strike which leveled a great deal of Jotunheim and keep on ticking?
Originally posted by carver9carver you are horrible at this
All of this post is boo boo but there is something I would like to know. Why isn't the first movie Canon to the second and Avengers movie? The second movie started right where the first one stopped at. They are linked. So again, why isn't it canon?Lol at Hulk not stopping that ship. Hilarious Jake. Your entire post is jacked. The lightning Thor used on the frost giants didn't even kill the Giants that was near him but its suppose to stop Hulk? Hilarious buddy.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Incredible Hulk is a reboot of the "Hulk Franchise". It has nothing to do with Ang Lee's Hulk.Hulk punched that ship down, but he didn't destroy it on his own. Iron Man blew it to kingdom come. I know you want to give Hulk all the credit, though. So what feat from Hulk suggests he'd take a strike which leveled a great deal of Jotunheim and keep on ticking?
The movies are linked Jake. Part one ended with Hulk leaving the states due to Betty father tracking him knowing he was the Hulk. The second movie picks up where the first one stopped at. It starts with Hulk being overseas hiding from the General. They are one of the same. IIRC, Banner even have flash backs of events in the first movie.
The ship was destroyed Jake. Ironman assisted in the ship not taking out an entire City block. You are telling me to relook at the movie, maybe you need to do the same.
Like I said, that attack Thor used against the frost Giants didn't even destroy the Giants that wad around him...it just pushed them off of him. Me saying that Hulk can't withstand that attack is like me saying a Frost Giant>>>Hulk. Thor destroying a shallow ground doesn't mean he is stopping Hulk.
Originally posted by janus77
What "cuts loose"? Thor's best move - the lightning - is trivial in its regular levels, like shown against IM.With a building handy, with storm clouds and other assists, it manages to be powerful enough to short-circuit the motors on the robo-fish-carriers.
It didn't blow them up, iirc, it blew up their motors taking them down by proxy.
Hulk literally withstood an extended barrage from an armada, with no ill effects. Thor never did anything that even comes close to being that powerful.
I saw the movie a second time....Hulk got up with green blood all over after the armada thing
Originally posted by carver9
The movies are linked Jake. Part one ended with Hulk leaving the states due to Betty father tracking him knowing he was the Hulk. The second movie picks up where the first one stopped at. It starts with Hulk being overseas hiding from the General. They are one of the same. IIRC, Banner even have flash backs of events in the first movie.The ship was destroyed Jake. Ironman assisted in the ship not taking out an entire City block. You are telling me to relook at the movie, maybe you need to do the same.
Like I said, that attack Thor used against the frost Giants didn't even destroy the Giants that wad around him...it just pushed them off of him. Me saying that Hulk can't withstand that attack is like me saying a Frost Giant>>>Hulk. Thor destroying a shallow ground doesn't mean he is stopping Hulk.
It's a reboot, Carver. facepalm
Yeah, the ship was actually destroyed by Iron Man. Hulk punched the ship down and the force of his blow caused it to buckle and turn on its back, exposing its unarmored portion to Iron Man, who caused it to explode.
Considering those Giants were either blown away by the sheer concussive force of the blow or buried under the tons of debris or fell to their death as Jotunheim began to break apart, I'd say those close to him were pretty much dead or close to it. You still don't have an answer for how Hulk would respond to an attack physically capable of rendered such a landscape without any sort of amping or significant charge time outside of "it won't stop Hulk" or that it somehow makes Hulk weaker than a Frost Giant if he can't no sell it (which is retarded as shit as no one is saying a single Frost Giant > Hulk anyway).
I have on screen feats and what actually happens in the movies whereas you have just a bunch of assumption fueled by your love of Hulk.