Originally posted by Scythe
Lookin' at the whole: "Oh, I have this in common with this superhero" thing, I would think alot more people would find more common ground with Mavel heroes over DC heroes. Lots of people are nerdy Peter Parker/Bruce Banner-ish, not many are Amazonian.
Well, how many radioactive spiders have bitten you lately?
besides, you're comparing a heritage to a personality. not very fair 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, how many radioactive spiders have bitten you lately?besides, you're comparing a heritage to a personality. not very fair 😛
For the most part, I meant. I find myself seeing eye-to-eye with the stuff Spidey deals with, like rent, balancing a relationship with work and all that stuff, but there's still a shit-ton of DC characters I love reading about cuz they're larger-than-life. I also think the average rich billionaire, playboy in the real world would lead a life closer to that of Tony Stark, over the let's say Bruce Wayne. Though personality-wise, I know a bunch of really nice people who I can see relate to Aquaman or Supes.
Originally posted by Scythe
For the most part, I meant. I find myself seeing eye-to-eye with the stuff Spidey deals with, like rent, balancing a relationship with work and all that stuff, but there's still a shit-ton of DC characters I love reading about cuz they're larger-than-life. I also think the average rich billionaire, playboy in the real world would lead a life closer to that of Tony Stark, over the let's say Bruce Wayne. Though personality-wise, I know a bunch of really nice people who I can see relate to Aquaman or Supes.
Aquaman isn't nice. 😐
Seriously. He's an *******.
Also, plenty of DC characters deal with stuff that most of us can relate to. Flash's wife had a miscarriage, his marriage collapsed, and then after finally repairing things, found that he couldn't pay the bills. Green Arrow battled his infidelity as much as he did villains, and even went celibate trying to win back Canary. Superman and Lois have had marriage troubles to the point that Martha Kent told Lois to basically STFU at a family dinner once.
Then there's Hal Jordan. Don't ever get me started on him. DUI's, bad relationships, broken family, the list goes on.
Some of them can be larger than life, but that's only generally when they're in costume. They're still people too.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Just saw the movie. I will admit it was somewhere between good and great but not the I just goo'ed my pants like so many others think.And I will stand by my belief that I DO NOT WANT JOSS F-ING BAG HEAD WHEDON NEAR A JL MOVIE!
Nuff said.
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If Joss Whedon stopped with the whole "dc characters can't be related to" bullshit, he could make an awesome JLA movie. He has the chops for sure.
Originally posted by -Pr-I completely agree
Aquaman isn't nice. 😐Seriously. He's an *******.
Also, plenty of DC characters deal with stuff that most of us can relate to. Flash's wife had a miscarriage, his marriage collapsed, and then after finally repairing things, found that he couldn't pay the bills. Green Arrow battled his infidelity as much as he did villains, and even went celibate trying to win back Canary. Superman and Lois have had marriage troubles to the point that Martha Kent told Lois to basically STFU at a family dinner once.
Then there's Hal Jordan. Don't ever get me started on him. DUI's, bad relationships, broken family, the list goes on.
Some of them can be larger than life, but that's only generally when they're in costume. They're still people too.
If Joss Whedon stopped with the whole "dc characters can't be related to" bullshit, he could make an awesome JLA movie. He has the chops for sure.
Well, there's something to be said for Whedon's comments. Even the Batman films, which have been very successful, embrace the idea of Batman. It's something greater...practically conceptual. But nobody pretends that Nolan's Batman would play well with others in a movie context.
I always enjoyed how DC portrayed their biggest guns as almost mythical. It has nothing to do with origins; none of us have anything in common with any hero if we try to look at origins or powers. But I can see that as presenting a challenge to a director.
Still, we're trying to find a root philosophical cause to DC's ineptitude in movies. And there isn't one. Is it that their characters aren't relatable? No. It's simply that they haven't been trying for a JLA movie the same way Marvel has, and they've had some flops. Marvel had a clearer vision, but they also got lucky to an extent that none of the lead-up films were terrible.
Or we could just look at DC's current superiority in comic sales, or their vast success with their animated franchises (Superman, Batman, JLA, JLU, Batman Beyond, etc.) and say that they're doing ok, which they really are.
Also: Whedon's comment isn't completely wrong, but it's also being blown out of proportion. A couple throwaway lines about another company on an interview panel shouldn't really be cause for ANY sort of extreme reaction.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Its more like that fact that its being used as an insult. [/B]
Whether you're a Whedon fan or not, I think you're totally missing the point.
Whedon has proven with his writing & directing skills that he can juggle multiple characters in a story & on screen & give each one equal status & importance in a story.
Yeah even though FireFly was ill-fated, he wrote & juggled nine different characters, that's a skill not many writers/directors have.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Aquaman isn't nice. 😐Seriously. He's an *******.
Is he? I'm not all that familiar with Aquaman's life outside the costume. What's up with that though? I'm seeing alot of people not really having any basic knowledge of who the DC characters are alter-ego wise. As opposed to Marvel characters. Man, DC characters need exposure in the form of several live-action films. I'd hella watch a Wonder Woman, Aquaman or Martian Manhunter flick.
Originally posted by Scythe
Is he? I'm not all that familiar with Aquaman's life outside the costume. What's up with that though? I'm seeing alot of people not really having any basic knowledge of who the DC characters are alter-ego wise. As opposed to Marvel characters. Man, DC characters need exposure in the form of several live-action films. I'd hella watch a Wonder Woman, Aquaman or Martian Manhunter flick.
He has the same kind of role in the League as Wolverine has with the X-Men. He's usually the disagreeable one, and doesn't tow the company line quite as well as anyone else.
Plus, for a lot of the heroes, the League and their heroing is their primary responsibility. For Aquaman it isn't. He's a king and a husband more than he'll ever be a hero.
Plus, he once left a guy to be "judged" by sharks after proclaiming him guilty of a heinous crime.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He has the same kind of role in the League as Wolverine has with the X-Men. He's usually the disagreeable one, and doesn't tow the company line quite as well as anyone else.Plus, for a lot of the heroes, the League and their heroing is their primary responsibility. For Aquaman it isn't. He's a king and a husband more than he'll ever be a hero.
Plus, he once left a guy to be "judged" by sharks after proclaiming him guilty of a heinous crime.
Holy shit, that in itself would make an awesome movie. I'd watch that over a Sub-Mariner movie any day.
Originally posted by Scythe
Holy shit, that in itself would make an awesome movie. I'd watch that over a Sub-Mariner movie any day.
He also once flooded Pearl Harbour, and told Japan that if they weren't going to turn over a man guilty of certain crimes, that they were forbidden from using the seas. Period.
Oh, and he can summon the Kraken and fight monsters that look like Lovecraft inventions.
Originally posted by DigiThis.
Also: Whedon's comment isn't completely wrong, but it's also being blown out of proportion. A couple throwaway lines about another company on an interview panel shouldn't really be cause for ANY sort of extreme reaction.
I don't think Whedon's comments should be taken to mean he thinks DC's characters are outdated or unrelatable, but rather that they naturally might pose greater hurdles for a director who wants to translate what they're all about to the big screen and to a modern audience.
The binary belief that Marvel is about relatable grunge and DC is about two-dimensional angel-analogues is ridiculous, but there is some fact and truth buried there that causes these exaggerations to pop up.
Whedon doesn't seem like he's insulting anyone, indeed its likely that he's not, knowing what we know about his career. He has a point and thats all. I kinda agree.
Superman - super speed / strength / flight/ others nigh indestructable
Wonder woman - super speed / strength / flight/ others inc indestructable weapons
Captain M - super speed / strength / flight/ others nigh indestructable
Hal - super speed / strength / flight/ others, power limited only by his imagination..
Flash - one of the fastest beings in the universe
The line up is stacked and i have a hard enough time believeing SUpermans peril letalone an entire team of "supermen" on top of that (playing devils advocate) i have to believe that 'movie' batman offers anything in the range of offensive or defensive or tactical options that these 5 Gods are somehow unable to factor into planetary or Galactic affairs, even though Batman doesn't operate at those levels.
Its a stretch too far and i dont think anyone is up to the challenge. The one person that COULD do it - Whedon - says it's not currently viable and not a simple translation and hes right. Too many factors to make a cohesive character story with believeable team mechanic and convincing peril. imo
Originally posted by Juk3n
Whedon doesn't seem like he's insulting anyone, indeed its likely that he's not, knowing what we know about his career. He has a point and thats all. I kinda agree.Superman - super speed / strength / flight/ others nigh indestructable
Wonder woman - super speed / strength / flight/ others inc indestructable weapons
Captain M - super speed / strength / flight/ others nigh indestructable
Hal - super speed / strength / flight/ others, power limited only by his imagination..
Flash - one of the fastest beings in the universeThe line up is stacked and i have a hard enough time believeing SUpermans peril letalone an entire team of "supermen" on top of that (playing devils advocate) i have to believe that 'movie' batman offers anything in the range of offensive or defensive or tactical options that these 5 Gods are somehow unable to factor into planetary or Galactic affairs, even though Batman doesn't operate at those levels.
Its a stretch too far and i dont think anyone is up to the challenge. The one person that COULD do it - Whedon - says it's not currently viable and not a simple translation and hes right. Too many factors to make a cohesive character story with believeable team mechanic and convincing peril. imo
They could use any one of a dozen villains from the comics. Or even a dozen villains.
Originally posted by Scythe
Wait, ON HIS FEET?!
Yep.