Originally posted by -Pr-yeah I did like superman 1-2 but it just seems that his greatest foes were lex, which at the time it was understandable because during the silverage his major antagonist where either mad scientists or street thugs but superman returns used lex again. he has been evolving great villains lately. It just seems dc has a problem in their movies that make them usuccessful, except batman, I can't really point what but if I had to guess its lack of character balance,boring unintresting story plots and cheesyness. granted christopher reeves charisma was so great it made superman believeable but times have changed and superman returns suffers imo from those same problems and from a new one, which is relevants people now a days want to relate to a character(spidermans a great example) and dc seems like they make cardboard cutout characters with no real human traits such as drama,problems,mental issues and stress which marvel has done a graat job making superheros more ''down to earth''. don't get me wrong dc, comic wise have improved but movie wise they haven't there heros are one dimensional with no real issues=why should audience care and boring story and antagonist , but in superman movies its hard to balanced it out with an overpowred superhero. btw marvel has there fair share of bad movies to so as to not come of as bias.
Flash was good imo. So were most of the Superman tv shows.DC isn't known for shitty adaptations at all.
Even the Aquaman tv pilot was pretty decent.
Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
yeah I did like superman 1-2 but it just seems that his greatest foes were lex, which at the time it was understandable because during the silverage his major antagonist where either mad scientists or street thugs but superman returns used lex again. he has been evolving great villains lately. It just seems dc has a problem in their movies that make them usuccessful, except batman, I can't really point what but if I had to guess its lack of character balance,boring unintresting story plots and cheesyness. granted christopher reeves charisma was so great it made superman believeable but times have changed and superman returns suffers imo from those same problems and from a new one, which is relevants people now a days want to relate to a character(spidermans a great example) and dc seems like they make cardboard cutout characters with no real human traits such as drama,problems,mental issues and stress which marvel has done a graat job making superheros more ''down to earth''. don't get me wrong dc, comic wise have improved but movie wise they haven't there heros are one dimensional with no real issues=why should audience care and boring story and antagonist , but in superman movies its hard to balanced it out with an overpowred superhero. btw marvel has there fair share of bad movies to so as to not come of as bias.
I disagree. Green Lantern wasn't bad because he was one dimensional and had no "Drama, Problems, Mental Issues". It was bad because it had terrible Scripting, pointless villains and a story that felt mashed together.
Originally posted by Starscream M
meet aquaman
...Yeah, not buying it.
Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
yeah I did like superman 1-2 but it just seems that his greatest foes were lex, which at the time it was understandable because during the silverage his major antagonist where either mad scientists or street thugs but superman returns used lex again. he has been evolving great villains lately. It just seems dc has a problem in their movies that make them usuccessful, except batman, I can't really point what but if I had to guess its lack of character balance,boring unintresting story plots and cheesyness. granted christopher reeves charisma was so great it made superman believeable but times have changed and superman returns suffers imo from those same problems and from a new one, which is relevants people now a days want to relate to a character(spidermans a great example) and dc seems like they make cardboard cutout characters with no real human traits such as drama,problems,mental issues and stress which marvel has done a graat job making superheros more ''down to earth''. don't get me wrong dc, comic wise have improved but movie wise they haven't there heros are one dimensional with no real issues=why should audience care and boring story and antagonist , but in superman movies its hard to balanced it out with an overpowred superhero. btw marvel has there fair share of bad movies to so as to not come of as bias.
Superman Returns was shit; i don't see how anyone could disagree with that.
I think you're being a bit broad with your comment about them not having human traits though. Even the so-called "bad" dc stuff still had character drama for the most part.
Originally posted by Blighttrue, but take batman for example why are his movie the best dc has, I mean generally he kicks superman and they others As😮 at the box office. Well he is a human that faces strong adversaries and we wonder how he'll overcome the odds. Batmans a great example it shows the other movies lack balance for example superman is strong and he fights a human which makes me not intrested, I would like him to fight villans more powerful where am wondering if he'll survive or how will he win. there could be more like they tend to use cheesines from the 70's like if it's suppose to be a scobby doo movie. Heck super man return had plot holes, inconsistencies and a disrespect to both souce material and the nature and character of superman, I mean they guy was a creepy,stalking rapist...yes rapist cuz he erase your mind after s🙂x = date rape!
I disagree. Green Lantern wasn't bad because he was one dimensional and had no "Drama, Problems, Mental Issues". It was bad because it had terrible Scripting, pointless villains and a story that felt mashed together.
DC to date has only been successful at the box office with Nolan's Batman films. DKR will be yet another mega hit. That said, Marvel was smart in that they established a shared universe at the outset with Iron Man. DC doesn't seem interested in doing this. So it'll be weird for them to all of a sudden say "well whadda you know, they've existed together all along" or "hey, you know, there's this guy over in Metropolis you should meet".
Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
true, but take batman for example why are his movie the best dc has, I mean generally he kicks superman and they others As😮 at the box office. Well he is a human that faces strong adversaries and we wonder how he'll overcome the odds. Batmans a great example it shows the other movies lack balance for example superman is strong and he fights a human which makes me not intrested, I would like him to fight villans more powerful where am wondering if he'll survive or how will he win. there could be more like they tend to use cheesines from the 70's like if it's suppose to be a scobby doo movie. Heck super man return had plot holes, inconsistencies and a disrespect to both souce material and the nature and character of superman, I mean they guy was a creepy,stalking rapist...yes rapist cuz he erase your mind after s🙂x = date rape!
Have you heard about the new movie?
Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah I think we can both agree superman return killed the noble character and made him a stalking creepy rapist. It gets to the point where I wonder if dc is actually writing it or even care because it seems they didn't bother looking at the audacity that was superman 3-4 because if they did they'd known both his parents died and that he 100% got confirmation on kryptons demise not to mention throwing out the window his rules of human interspecies love. Why couldnt they make a restart instead of a continuation of reeves classics. marvel had crap to 90's captain america, spiderman 3 emo parker, hulk and arguably xmen 3.
...Yeah, not buying it.Superman Returns was shit; i don't see how anyone could disagree with that.
I think you're being a bit broad with your comment about them not having human traits though. Even the so-called "bad" dc stuff still had character drama for the most part.
Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
Yeah I think we can both agree superman return killed the noble character and made him a stalking creepy rapist. It gets to the point where I wonder if dc is actually writing it or even care because it seems they didn't bother looking at the audacity that was superman 3-4 because if they did they'd known both his parents died and that he 100% got confirmation on kryptons demise not to mention throwing out the window his rules of human interspecies love. Why couldnt they make a restart instead of a continuation of reeves classics. marvel had crap to 90's captain america, spiderman 3 emo parker, hulk and arguably xmen 3.
It wasn't technically rape, you know. 😛
and returns was stated from the start to be a continuation of superman 2, leaving 3 and 4 out completely.
Originally posted by dmills😆 📖 😆
DC to date has only been successful at the box office with Nolan's Batman films. DKR will be yet another mega hit. That said, Marvel was smart in that they established a shared universe at the outset with Iron Man. DC doesn't seem interested in doing this. So it'll be weird for them to all of a sudden say "well whadda you know, they've existed together all along" or "hey, you know, there's this guy over in Metropolis you should meet".
Originally posted by -Pr-btw yeah I heard about the movie. Im still kinda effy about them not using the guy from s. returns but who knows it might be great. I heard he's a great actor but I personaly can't see how his british charm will mix with an american icon?
It wasn't technically rape, you know. 😛and returns was stated from the start to be a continuation of superman 2, leaving 3 and 4 out completely.