What I'm asking is, has Akuma done anything in AW that he clearly can not do in SF?
Also, you seem to be unaware that Oni Akuma also has a Shin Oni form. It appears not to be present in AW, I would assume, lookin only at the clip? He also has never been shown fightin a single person in canon past his normal form, so to assume Asura can win at any rate is highly suspect.
This is why I would like to know which Akuma this is so one could gauge his power which should be easy to do since AW Akuma can't go Shin Oni, but actually has showings in his lesser Oni form. The SF version does not have showings as either Oni or Shin Oni, 'cept for the volcano feat in normal Oni mode.
You make it sound like such a bad thing. What's an Asurs? lol
But seriously, no, not really? But I know everything about an Akuma. So to ignore, "He also has never been shown fightin a single person in canon past his normal form" and the fact that he has an even stronger version of his Oni form, would be an act of hilariously poor judgement. An egregious act which is constantly demonstrated by most, unfortunately.
And yes, I know Asura has a giant planet sized form, but that form requires an outside means and is not a lvl he can just hop into with a thought. It is inadmissible in a 1 on 1. I know that much. If there's somethin else I should know about Asura and Akuma's normally achieved heights regardin this thread, feel free to inform.
Originally posted by No End N Site
You make it sound like such a bad thing. What's an Asurs? lolBut seriously, no, not really? But I know everything about an Akuma. So to ignore, [b]"He also has never been shown fightin a single person in canon past his normal form"
and the fact that he has an even stronger version of his Oni form, would be an act of hilariously poor judgement. An egregious act which is constantly demonstrated by most, unfortunately.And yes, I know Asura has a giant planet sized form, but that form requires an outside means and is not a lvl he can just hop into with a thought. It is inadmissible in a 1 on 1. I know that much. If there's somethin else I should know about Asura and Akuma's normally achieved heights regardin this thread, feel free to inform. [/B]
Asura even in his normal Vajra mode has destroyed planet-sized foes. By punching them really hard.
You could harp on about how Akuma's true power has never been shown, but what he has shown isn't just less than Asura, it is less by millions of orders of magnitude.
I can't comment on Akuma's AW feats. Haven't played.
Well the vids are up on the tube, I watched both. Akuma was basically matching Asura. Then he got beat so hard that he transformed into Oni Akuma. To match that, Asura amped up to Mantra. Then they went at it...blew up the moon in the process, flew around space punchin each other for a bit. It was kinda like the final fight in S-Cry-Ed. Then they land on earth, throw a final punch and they apparently hit each other so hard they turn to stone. 500 years later a bird lands on Asura, and he starts moving, then Akuma starts moving, and they go to hit each other before it fades to black.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Asura even in his normal Vajra mode has destroyed planet-sized foes. By punching them really hard.You could harp on about how Akuma's true power has never been shown, but what he has shown isn't just less than Asura, it is less by millions of orders of magnitude.
I had alot to say but I'm gonna just leave it at this, goin any further is an act of futility. If it is debatable whether or not Shin Akuma can destroy a world endin meteor. He blew it apart, which means he'd have to be millions of times more powerful than said meteor since he had way less of a distance to travel had to fight gravity to get to the meteor and had less time to unleash a force to combat it, this commin off a form that has shown to bust, just islands leaves Oni too far in the air to even try and gauge.
And thanks for lettin me know, if I cut a 5 story tree down with a chainsaw, this allows me to cut down a steel buildin of the same size with the same saw. You don't wanna go there cuz this opens up an entertainin can of worms with countless instances of double standards.
Your argument (The saw analogy) only applies if these beings were less durable than the Earth.
Gohma Vlitre (Or however its spelled) is the Earth, and reveals itself by bursting through the planet. A single one of its heads is the size of a continent.
Also, to the first part of your post: No. That kind of thinking effectively makes debate impossible. Could Akuma be a planet buster at full power? Sure it could happen. But nowhere in the series (Short of noncanon Ingrid cocksuckery) is that level of power even hinted at, the best feats ranging around the city/mountain/island busting levels from the top-tiers, including Akuma. So for the sake of debate, until Akuma gets better feats, we can assume Asura wins this.
If this is AW Akuma, than okay. I don't know anything about that Akuma. But if this is SF, this needs to be said. I'm not sayin any form of Akuma stands a chance against Asura, I'm sayin the SF version cannot be used. That's it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Your argument (The saw analogy) only applies if these beings were less durable than the Earth.Gohma Vlitre (Or however its spelled) is the Earth, and reveals itself by bursting through the planet. A single one of its heads is the size of a continent.
Also, to the first part of your post: No. That kind of thinking effectively makes debate impossible. Could Akuma be a planet buster at full power? Sure it could happen. But nowhere in the series (Short of noncanon Ingrid cocksuckery) is that level of power even hinted at, the best feats ranging around the city/mountain/island busting levels from the top-tiers, including Akuma. So for the sake of debate, until Akuma gets better feats, we can assume Asura wins this.
The chainsaw is Asura's power, the tree is clearly suseptible to death by chainsaw, the trees are Asura's foes in my analogy. The buildin is the Earth, which has no predisposition to being killed by chainsaw. No doubt Asura can bust planets and stars N' what not, cuz he actually does it pretty easily, from what I hear. But he's not in the same form he's in when he's fightin Akuma.
You forget that the top tiers are leagues above the rest of the cast. And just like Akuma, they're top lvls aren't even hinted at, in the slightest.
This wouldn't be a problem if their fullest was, at least, implied to some degree. Debate with so lil to use as ammo should be impossible. People exclude certain characters from discussions all the time, for these same reasons. You're puttin him in a fight where he would lose in base form. But the thread is not limitin'im to base form and he has no canon feats oustide of his base form. But the nature of the thread clearly requires him to untie one of his hands to spur on any sort of discussion. That does not make sense. Why is this character in a debate (goin all out) with this type of foe in the 1st place? Why is he in debates with this type of character. . .all the time?
But he's not in the same form he's in when he's fightin Akuma.
And Im not positive, but he doesnt need to be above planetary strength to destroy that meteor. He'd only need to be strong enough to destroy a rock at that size.
That's not the issue I have. What matters to me is, are these cores of his own makin, did they generate from his body cuz he gained a new lvl of power? And does he have'em in this fight. From what I read, Asura dies at the end of the game, so clearly, the DLC fight takes place before he dies. That's all I wanna know.
I didn't say he needed planetary strength, I said he needed to be more powerful than the meteor. Way more powerful. It would be like shootin a speedin car, head on, and the bullet destroyin the car...and survivin the collision in the same state it was in before it was fired.